Issues with PXC?
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You’re constantly emphasizing the importance of the community, but when several people bring up legitimate concerns and demand answers, they’re being ridiculous and have a self-entitled attitude.
If we are all trying to get Feathercoin accepted as legitimate currency by the general publicâ€"and I thought this was the main goal of the community, though not necessary Bush’s intention at the startâ€"the developers are playing with our money; you bet your bum we deserve answers. We’ve heard absolutely zero from the devs about the allegations against the PXC guys (particularly Mike) and what exactly is happening with UNOCS, which you yourself declared to be central to getting FTC into the hands of the Average Joe and increasing its value and viability as a currency.
If you can’t take the heat or respond to criticisms, you should probably find another hobby.
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I just completely disagree with digging into people’s personal lives in a movement that was founded by people that preach being anonymous. UNOCS has zip to do with current Feathercoin development. We were INVITED to use their services… YOU don’t have to do crap with it… I don’t care. If Mike wants to share his personal information, that’s entirely up to him. If you feel he should, great, let’s get our information as well:
I’m John Manglaviti, my phone number is 417-597-3702. Feel free to msg me your personal information and we can go from there. I’m serious, let’s come out of the shadows since most of you contribute to Feathercoin as well. Maybe I have concerns with some of you… I can think of a few people I’d like to start with. ;)
Until the Bridge is released, to me, this is a waste of time. But hey, if we want to dig around with each other’s backgrounds, I look forward to your PMs… and I’ll give you my own references.
People forget that ANYONE can accept Feathercoin. If someone wants to allow us on their service, great…more power to them. That’s all I have to say about that. You guys can do your thing, I’ll work on my investment. You say Feathercoin development doesn’t matter, but I STRONGLY disagree. While people are focused on this nonsense, they continue to leave more work for those of us that are willing to pick up the shovel.
Where’s the same ‘up in arms’ when we create an activism thread?
If Feather decides to distance itself from Phenix, I’ll respect it. I’ll simply help build their community up the same way I did Feather. Long term, moving away from their assistance is a mistake. But what I know about growing a community and getting visibility… oh wait.
I’m done… make your own decisions and spend your money as you please. I’m not your leader, I’m certainly not accountable to you. If you want to share your personal information in PM, great, we’ll go from there… happy to talk to someone over the phone… not like this. Unreal… the service hasn’t even been released.
DONE
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This has gone a little too far I think and if there are personal concerns I agree they should be moved to PM.
I’m not calling anyone in particular out. I just made a couple observations that were my opinions on the current situation and sharing in some of the concerns people have. That’s all. I also was agreeing with the general sentiment that John has done a lot for the community, and didn’t mean to suggest otherwise.
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I concur with MrFeathers’ points.
[quote name=“Justabitoftime” post=“25178” timestamp=“1376191163”]
I just completely disagree with digging into people’s personal lives in a movement that was founded by people that preach being anonymous. UNOCS has zip to do with current Feathercoin development. We were INVITED to use their services… YOU don’t have to do crap with it… I don’t care. If Mike wants to share his personal information, that’s entirely up to him.
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I like how you constantly stomp your feet and say you’re done and yet keep coming back for more. :PIf someone is accused, with substantial evidence, of being a scammer, people who want a verification of that or clearing of his name are not “digging into [his] personal [life]”. They’re asking legitimate questions which any reasonable person would ask and do deserve an answer, especially if said person is supposed to be writing an application that will be dealing with peoples’ money.
UNOCS does not have “zip” to do with Feathercoin development. So, at first UNOCS is a cooperation between the currencies, but now it has nothing to do with FTC or, subsequently, us? (If you could your story straight so we know what we’re supposed to believe, that’d be great and would make this disagreement somewhat simpler to resolve.) If UNOCS support is going to be built into the FTC wallet (as you yourself stated to Coindesk), it has [b]everything [/b]to do with Feathercoin development.
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[url=http://youtu.be/d2nM55ko_ys]http://youtu.be/d2nM55ko_ys[/url]
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Come on guys! :(
As Wesphily said, if you want to know info about Phenix Mike, ask him on their forums. Don’t fight among ourselves here - it’s crazy. We’re the good guys remember?
Whilst all the concerns are valid (i feel some of them too) you need to direct them to the right place.
Personally i hold next to no PXC or WDC because i support FTC. I’ve decided that whatever PXC/WDC does is up to them. We just don’t promote their services until they are live. If and when UNOCS goes live, THEN i will promote the a*** off of it and say I was a supporter and beleiver from the off! ;D
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[quote JustabitofTime]
[b]So let’s recap:[/b]Feather’s value -> Up Up Up
Phenix/World -> If you’re not invested, you lost nothing. If you did invest, I’m working hard to increase it.
This is exactly why you don’t see much of me around the forums anymore. I’m focused on adding value, some are focused on the exact opposite.
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Justabit, we are trying to help you, pleeeeeeeease listen.
Nobody on this thread looks like they have ulterior motives to me, it was a mistake to say they were, even if they were. Contributors appear to be raising (valid) concerns and giving you a chance to learn from your mistakes.
Feathercoin has not suffered excessively from trolling. Even if it were, hard questions are better answered (as best you can) than avoided or commenting on your perception of their ulterior motives.
Also, for instance, I am ABSOLUTELY NOT interested that Feathercoin is UP UP UP. Especially when that is for no apparent reason. It is actually making me loose loads of coins as a “stupid” miner who does not change over to Litecoin when the difficulty goes up.
- I am only here to make a useful open currency and not have my mining coins stolen. I want Feathercoin to fairly compensate miners for transactions, on a secure network, not save up to be CoinMillionaires, or pandering to the moronic trading scams.
Unfortunately, this is a common crypto currency development failure. The current system aligns the coin to the developers requirements, due to the developer being in charge of the network. But, the developers don’t have a direct way to monetize their “investment” like miners have. They therefore are diverted to concentrating on all the wrong priorities. I understood Bush is also a miner and that’s one of the reasons I “joined” Feathercoin.
And, I am also absolutely against the promotion of sex slavery, abuse of woman and gambling, can we avoid that sh*t being associated with Feathercoin directly?
Long term reputation is 99% of success, that is achieved by what you do, not what people say you are or what you say you’re trying to be.
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[quote name=“Nutnut” post=“25218” timestamp=“1376214530”]
As Wesphily said, if you want to know info about Phenix Mike, ask him on their forums. Don’t fight among ourselves here - it’s crazy. We’re the good guys remember?Whilst all the concerns are valid (i feel some of them too) you need to direct them to the right place.
[/quote]Their forums are almost dead, and going by their track record I am sure nothing will come out of it. Their PR is a shambles, as was their hard fork release. In fact, if one wants to find out how to do PR and implement a hard fork they do not have to look further than our very own Feathercoin.
That does not matter here. We are here for FTC, and if PXC does turn out to be a massive scam, we are big enough to survive. I have personally sold off PXC and will get back into FTC with that earnings when there is a dip in price.
Tempers seem to be running high here, so I would advise you all to take a deep breath and if you want to discuss further, do it nicely. We are all on the same team; and regardless of Justabit’s assertion I am sure all of us want only the best of FTC at heart (well, the best interests of our pockets at least, but lets not get into that ;D).
I would also like to add I like WDC too. They seem to be a great bunch, and just as confused as us.
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What I’ve learned in the past weeks, Phenixcoin is much different to Feathercoin. We are a community driven currency with a high level of transparency and that’s the reason why we have become one of the major altcoins in just 3 months. Phenixcoin is driven by JohnCar and Mike Burns aka iamatrix. They decide what to do and how to do, the community doesn’t seem to matter much for them. Their personal interests are placed above the community. They put money into this project and want a decent ROI. Worth to mention here their 1 million pre-mine. If you invest into PXC, you put your fortune in their hands. They may succeed, they may fail, who knows. Some people are comfortable with it, some not.
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It’s never too late to direct some of this positive energy towards worldcoin :D. My holdings are roughly 80% WDC, 20% FTC… originally 100% WDC, but I definitely see the value in Feathercoin, and I hope we can keep things together in a more positive approach. The PXC news is bad, but at the end of the day, they are all separate coins, and someones personal life from 10 years ago probably shouldn’t be the end for any coin. Having said that, I invite you guys to help show some worldcoin support and join the Worldcoin Foundation: www.worldcoinfoundation.org.
I plan to begin contributing more to the feathercoin community as well.
Thanks!
NerdCustoms
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And, I am also absolutely against the promotion of sex slavery, abuse of woman and gambling, can we avoid that sh*t being associated with Feathercoin directly?
[/quote]Two of those three are illegal, and are associated with violence and abuse towards a person. The third is just your personal preference. PhenixCoin IS associated with gambling, therefore UNOCS is associated with gambling, therefore Feathercoins is associated with gambling. Imposing your personal preferences on a free market is just discriminatory.
It’s just like me saying, “I am also absolutely against the promotion of gay rights, can we avoid that shit being associated with Feathercoin directly?”
[sup]For the record: I’m so gay-friendly I eat bigots for lunch and poop rainbows.[/sup]
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[quote author=wrapper0feather link=topic=3267.msg25226#msg25226 date=1376220572]
And, I am also absolutely against the promotion of sex slavery, abuse of woman and gambling, can we avoid that sh*t being associated with Feathercoin directly?
[/quote]Two of those three are illegal, and are associated with violence and abuse towards a person. The third is just your personal preference. PhenixCoin IS associated with gambling, therefore UNOCS is associated with gambling, therefore Feathercoins is associated with gambling. Imposing your personal preferences on a free market is just discriminatory.
It’s just like me saying, “I am also absolutely against the promotion of gay rights, can we avoid that shit being associated with Feathercoin directly?”
[sup]For the record: I’m so gay-friendly I eat bigots for lunch and poop rainbows.[/sup]
[/quote]Are you saying you’re good with colours? ;D
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He’s a Skittle-butt!
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Got to agree with unkunku on this one.
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First I want to thank unkunku for the informative post.
Next I want to address stuff about pxc community. The pxc website community is similar to alphacoins. So that sort of makes us the pxc community. I don’t want to be the pxc community.
Also, I want to point out that most people who seem upset in this thread are upset because they feel their concerns are being dismissed. That’s making them upset and if some people can’t handle questions then they need to get out of the PR game. I dislike Jay Carney but that man takes abuse like no other on a daily basis with far worse and loaded questions then any of us have asked. However for the community I do not want someone like Jay Carney running PR because he doesn’t answer anything and dismisses almost all questions.
With all of this said… Wesphily stated that pxc is not us. We don’t have to be a part of this because UNOCs is a separate entity. We are the feathercoin community.
I also believe any “integration” should not be mandatory. I believe the concept is great but crypto-currencies are decentralized and should stay that way. Which my understanding currently points to how this is all working out. If its not please someone correct me.
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[quote name=“Justabitoftime” post=“24261” timestamp=“1375478680”]
Choices were made by the team, I’m not here to justify it. [b]I’m shifting quite a bit of focus to their team[/b] to help assist in development and strategic planning:http://forum.phenixcoin.com/index.php/topic,126.0.html
In the end, do I believe they are good choice for investors? Yes… I’m putting my money and time where my mouth is… I plan to continue to drop 5 figures fiat on coinage as well as shifting all my miners in that direction. I know the potential and fairly confident I can help get them headed in the right direction.
[b]In 3 months for now, I’d hate to not be an investor.[/b] I could be wrong, however, I like my chances.
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I continue to push Feather as well, I have follow-up emails to do tonight with people I met at the Bitcoin Conference.
[/quote]Bolded for emphasis given your recent withdrawal from all of your FTC holding as you claim.
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I do hope not too many people got burned by this whole thing, I lost a few quid but unlike some I only invest what I can afford to lost… I doubt 100% of investors think the same.
I suppose there is still 1.5 months to wait :) maybe it will bounce back huge lol -
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[quote author=Justabitoftime link=topic=3267.msg24261#msg24261 date=1375478680]
Choices were made by the team, I’m not here to justify it. [b]I’m shifting quite a bit of focus to their team[/b] to help assist in development and strategic planning:http://forum.phenixcoin.com/index.php/topic,126.0.html
In the end, do I believe they are good choice for investors? Yes… I’m putting my money and time where my mouth is… I plan to continue to drop 5 figures fiat on coinage as well as shifting all my miners in that direction. I know the potential and fairly confident I can help get them headed in the right direction.
[b]In 3 months for now, I’d hate to not be an investor.[/b] I could be wrong, however, I like my chances.
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I continue to push Feather as well, I have follow-up emails to do tonight with people I met at the Bitcoin Conference.
[/quote]Bolded for emphasis given your recent withdrawal from all of your FTC holding as you claim.
[/quote]Ha, this post has me crying with laughter, you sound almost annoyed that justabit cashed in his chips,
didn’t you do the same smoothie, http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php?topic=3692.msg28380#msg28380 it seems the game is too much for you to handle also. Well I guess you can’t pluck feathers without scaring some chickens. -
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I do hope not too many people got burned by this whole thing, I lost a few quid but unlike some I only invest what I can afford to lost… I doubt 100% of investors think the same.
I suppose there is still 1.5 months to wait :) maybe it will bounce back huge lol
[/quote]Your correct Tony, people are idiots if they invest X amount of cash into something and don’t expect to lose the invested amount.
The same doom and gloom was about the last time FTC went under .0001 btc, a lot of scared people started panic selling, only for it to double a week later, of course most people have very short memories, FTC spent a lot of time at .00005 btc during the summer.
In any case only invest what you can afford to lose, then you can only win. ;D
