Issues with PXC?
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Oh come on, John. You addressed nothing in that post. “Pay no attention to the facts being presented. Look! Someone pumped FTC on the exchanges! Everything is fine!”
We still don’t know how involved this Mike character is and whether or not he’s actually producing anything or just taking us for a ride. If the developers can’t be trusted to join forces with a trustworthy team, why should people trust them to keep Feathercoin innovating and moving forward securely? The concerns need to be addressed.
Now, feel free to use your impunity to berate me and other concerned members as people trying to destroy FTC.
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Oh come on, John. You addressed nothing in that post. “Pay no attention to the facts being presented. Look! Someone pumped FTC on the exchanges! Everything is fine!”We still don’t know how involved this Mike character is and whether or not he’s actually producing anything or just taking us for a ride. If the developers can’t be trusted to join forces with a trustworthy team, why should people trust them to keep Feathercoin innovating and moving forward securely? The concerns need to be addressed.
Now, feel free to use your impunity to berate me and other concerned members as people trying to destroy FTC.
[/quote][b]I’m confused, I don’t remember requiring you to support anything.[/b] I’m not your leader, I said my peace, take it up with Bush.
While people bitch and moan, I’m out there working my ass off for the coin. To be honest, it makes me want to spend less and less time here. That’s just a fact.
Absolutely amazing… serious… amazing.
If Phenix decides to not include us on their bridge, at this point, I wouldn’t even blame them. So great, be prepared to develop a competing system. Mike doesn’t owe you anything… period. They’ve been nice enough to invite us along with their services.
“Someone pumped FTC on the exchanges! Everything is fine!”"
Give me a freaking break. Our volume doesn’t magically get pumped for no reason… the hard work of this community which was realized at the Bitcoin Conference was a major contributor. The Advanced Checkpointing that Bush got crucified on is a contributing factor. The activists here emailing day in and day out is a contributing factor.
Look, I’m not hiding in the shadows… my name is public and so is my phone number. Drop me a PM, if you’re not international (US), I’d be happy to talk to you about everything we’re doing for YOUR coin… or even Phenix. If you want to go a different direction, fine.
Nice try, I’m right here in the open. Let’s make the call… heck, we can skype a public debate a post it… just drop the PM and let’s be done with it. I’m truly sick of this ’ you owe me ’ mentality. I put my time in, I have a fairly strong track record [b]helping [/b]move this from 80 or some members to what we have today.
I’m done with this bs. Spent too much time and far too much money to constantly repeat myself.
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You’re constantly emphasizing the importance of the community, but when several people bring up legitimate concerns and demand answers, they’re being ridiculous and have a self-entitled attitude.
If we are all trying to get Feathercoin accepted as legitimate currency by the general publicâ€"and I thought this was the main goal of the community, though not necessary Bush’s intention at the startâ€"the developers are playing with our money; you bet your bum we deserve answers. We’ve heard absolutely zero from the devs about the allegations against the PXC guys (particularly Mike) and what exactly is happening with UNOCS, which you yourself declared to be central to getting FTC into the hands of the Average Joe and increasing its value and viability as a currency.
If you can’t take the heat or respond to criticisms, you should probably find another hobby.
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I just completely disagree with digging into people’s personal lives in a movement that was founded by people that preach being anonymous. UNOCS has zip to do with current Feathercoin development. We were INVITED to use their services… YOU don’t have to do crap with it… I don’t care. If Mike wants to share his personal information, that’s entirely up to him. If you feel he should, great, let’s get our information as well:
I’m John Manglaviti, my phone number is 417-597-3702. Feel free to msg me your personal information and we can go from there. I’m serious, let’s come out of the shadows since most of you contribute to Feathercoin as well. Maybe I have concerns with some of you… I can think of a few people I’d like to start with. ;)
Until the Bridge is released, to me, this is a waste of time. But hey, if we want to dig around with each other’s backgrounds, I look forward to your PMs… and I’ll give you my own references.
People forget that ANYONE can accept Feathercoin. If someone wants to allow us on their service, great…more power to them. That’s all I have to say about that. You guys can do your thing, I’ll work on my investment. You say Feathercoin development doesn’t matter, but I STRONGLY disagree. While people are focused on this nonsense, they continue to leave more work for those of us that are willing to pick up the shovel.
Where’s the same ‘up in arms’ when we create an activism thread?
If Feather decides to distance itself from Phenix, I’ll respect it. I’ll simply help build their community up the same way I did Feather. Long term, moving away from their assistance is a mistake. But what I know about growing a community and getting visibility… oh wait.
I’m done… make your own decisions and spend your money as you please. I’m not your leader, I’m certainly not accountable to you. If you want to share your personal information in PM, great, we’ll go from there… happy to talk to someone over the phone… not like this. Unreal… the service hasn’t even been released.
DONE
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This has gone a little too far I think and if there are personal concerns I agree they should be moved to PM.
I’m not calling anyone in particular out. I just made a couple observations that were my opinions on the current situation and sharing in some of the concerns people have. That’s all. I also was agreeing with the general sentiment that John has done a lot for the community, and didn’t mean to suggest otherwise.
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I concur with MrFeathers’ points.
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I just completely disagree with digging into people’s personal lives in a movement that was founded by people that preach being anonymous. UNOCS has zip to do with current Feathercoin development. We were INVITED to use their services… YOU don’t have to do crap with it… I don’t care. If Mike wants to share his personal information, that’s entirely up to him.
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I like how you constantly stomp your feet and say you’re done and yet keep coming back for more. :PIf someone is accused, with substantial evidence, of being a scammer, people who want a verification of that or clearing of his name are not “digging into [his] personal [life]”. They’re asking legitimate questions which any reasonable person would ask and do deserve an answer, especially if said person is supposed to be writing an application that will be dealing with peoples’ money.
UNOCS does not have “zip” to do with Feathercoin development. So, at first UNOCS is a cooperation between the currencies, but now it has nothing to do with FTC or, subsequently, us? (If you could your story straight so we know what we’re supposed to believe, that’d be great and would make this disagreement somewhat simpler to resolve.) If UNOCS support is going to be built into the FTC wallet (as you yourself stated to Coindesk), it has [b]everything [/b]to do with Feathercoin development.
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[url=http://youtu.be/d2nM55ko_ys]http://youtu.be/d2nM55ko_ys[/url]
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Come on guys! :(
As Wesphily said, if you want to know info about Phenix Mike, ask him on their forums. Don’t fight among ourselves here - it’s crazy. We’re the good guys remember?
Whilst all the concerns are valid (i feel some of them too) you need to direct them to the right place.
Personally i hold next to no PXC or WDC because i support FTC. I’ve decided that whatever PXC/WDC does is up to them. We just don’t promote their services until they are live. If and when UNOCS goes live, THEN i will promote the a*** off of it and say I was a supporter and beleiver from the off! ;D
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[quote JustabitofTime]
[b]So let’s recap:[/b]Feather’s value -> Up Up Up
Phenix/World -> If you’re not invested, you lost nothing. If you did invest, I’m working hard to increase it.
This is exactly why you don’t see much of me around the forums anymore. I’m focused on adding value, some are focused on the exact opposite.
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Justabit, we are trying to help you, pleeeeeeeease listen.
Nobody on this thread looks like they have ulterior motives to me, it was a mistake to say they were, even if they were. Contributors appear to be raising (valid) concerns and giving you a chance to learn from your mistakes.
Feathercoin has not suffered excessively from trolling. Even if it were, hard questions are better answered (as best you can) than avoided or commenting on your perception of their ulterior motives.
Also, for instance, I am ABSOLUTELY NOT interested that Feathercoin is UP UP UP. Especially when that is for no apparent reason. It is actually making me loose loads of coins as a “stupid” miner who does not change over to Litecoin when the difficulty goes up.
- I am only here to make a useful open currency and not have my mining coins stolen. I want Feathercoin to fairly compensate miners for transactions, on a secure network, not save up to be CoinMillionaires, or pandering to the moronic trading scams.
Unfortunately, this is a common crypto currency development failure. The current system aligns the coin to the developers requirements, due to the developer being in charge of the network. But, the developers don’t have a direct way to monetize their “investment” like miners have. They therefore are diverted to concentrating on all the wrong priorities. I understood Bush is also a miner and that’s one of the reasons I “joined” Feathercoin.
And, I am also absolutely against the promotion of sex slavery, abuse of woman and gambling, can we avoid that sh*t being associated with Feathercoin directly?
Long term reputation is 99% of success, that is achieved by what you do, not what people say you are or what you say you’re trying to be.
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As Wesphily said, if you want to know info about Phenix Mike, ask him on their forums. Don’t fight among ourselves here - it’s crazy. We’re the good guys remember?Whilst all the concerns are valid (i feel some of them too) you need to direct them to the right place.
[/quote]Their forums are almost dead, and going by their track record I am sure nothing will come out of it. Their PR is a shambles, as was their hard fork release. In fact, if one wants to find out how to do PR and implement a hard fork they do not have to look further than our very own Feathercoin.
That does not matter here. We are here for FTC, and if PXC does turn out to be a massive scam, we are big enough to survive. I have personally sold off PXC and will get back into FTC with that earnings when there is a dip in price.
Tempers seem to be running high here, so I would advise you all to take a deep breath and if you want to discuss further, do it nicely. We are all on the same team; and regardless of Justabit’s assertion I am sure all of us want only the best of FTC at heart (well, the best interests of our pockets at least, but lets not get into that ;D).
I would also like to add I like WDC too. They seem to be a great bunch, and just as confused as us.
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What I’ve learned in the past weeks, Phenixcoin is much different to Feathercoin. We are a community driven currency with a high level of transparency and that’s the reason why we have become one of the major altcoins in just 3 months. Phenixcoin is driven by JohnCar and Mike Burns aka iamatrix. They decide what to do and how to do, the community doesn’t seem to matter much for them. Their personal interests are placed above the community. They put money into this project and want a decent ROI. Worth to mention here their 1 million pre-mine. If you invest into PXC, you put your fortune in their hands. They may succeed, they may fail, who knows. Some people are comfortable with it, some not.
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It’s never too late to direct some of this positive energy towards worldcoin :D. My holdings are roughly 80% WDC, 20% FTC… originally 100% WDC, but I definitely see the value in Feathercoin, and I hope we can keep things together in a more positive approach. The PXC news is bad, but at the end of the day, they are all separate coins, and someones personal life from 10 years ago probably shouldn’t be the end for any coin. Having said that, I invite you guys to help show some worldcoin support and join the Worldcoin Foundation: www.worldcoinfoundation.org.
I plan to begin contributing more to the feathercoin community as well.
Thanks!
NerdCustoms
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And, I am also absolutely against the promotion of sex slavery, abuse of woman and gambling, can we avoid that sh*t being associated with Feathercoin directly?
[/quote]Two of those three are illegal, and are associated with violence and abuse towards a person. The third is just your personal preference. PhenixCoin IS associated with gambling, therefore UNOCS is associated with gambling, therefore Feathercoins is associated with gambling. Imposing your personal preferences on a free market is just discriminatory.
It’s just like me saying, “I am also absolutely against the promotion of gay rights, can we avoid that shit being associated with Feathercoin directly?”
[sup]For the record: I’m so gay-friendly I eat bigots for lunch and poop rainbows.[/sup]
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[quote author=wrapper0feather link=topic=3267.msg25226#msg25226 date=1376220572]
And, I am also absolutely against the promotion of sex slavery, abuse of woman and gambling, can we avoid that sh*t being associated with Feathercoin directly?
[/quote]Two of those three are illegal, and are associated with violence and abuse towards a person. The third is just your personal preference. PhenixCoin IS associated with gambling, therefore UNOCS is associated with gambling, therefore Feathercoins is associated with gambling. Imposing your personal preferences on a free market is just discriminatory.
It’s just like me saying, “I am also absolutely against the promotion of gay rights, can we avoid that shit being associated with Feathercoin directly?”
[sup]For the record: I’m so gay-friendly I eat bigots for lunch and poop rainbows.[/sup]
[/quote]Are you saying you’re good with colours? ;D
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He’s a Skittle-butt!
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Got to agree with unkunku on this one.
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First I want to thank unkunku for the informative post.
Next I want to address stuff about pxc community. The pxc website community is similar to alphacoins. So that sort of makes us the pxc community. I don’t want to be the pxc community.
Also, I want to point out that most people who seem upset in this thread are upset because they feel their concerns are being dismissed. That’s making them upset and if some people can’t handle questions then they need to get out of the PR game. I dislike Jay Carney but that man takes abuse like no other on a daily basis with far worse and loaded questions then any of us have asked. However for the community I do not want someone like Jay Carney running PR because he doesn’t answer anything and dismisses almost all questions.
With all of this said… Wesphily stated that pxc is not us. We don’t have to be a part of this because UNOCs is a separate entity. We are the feathercoin community.
I also believe any “integration” should not be mandatory. I believe the concept is great but crypto-currencies are decentralized and should stay that way. Which my understanding currently points to how this is all working out. If its not please someone correct me.
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Choices were made by the team, I’m not here to justify it. [b]I’m shifting quite a bit of focus to their team[/b] to help assist in development and strategic planning:http://forum.phenixcoin.com/index.php/topic,126.0.html
In the end, do I believe they are good choice for investors? Yes… I’m putting my money and time where my mouth is… I plan to continue to drop 5 figures fiat on coinage as well as shifting all my miners in that direction. I know the potential and fairly confident I can help get them headed in the right direction.
[b]In 3 months for now, I’d hate to not be an investor.[/b] I could be wrong, however, I like my chances.
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I continue to push Feather as well, I have follow-up emails to do tonight with people I met at the Bitcoin Conference.
[/quote]Bolded for emphasis given your recent withdrawal from all of your FTC holding as you claim.
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I do hope not too many people got burned by this whole thing, I lost a few quid but unlike some I only invest what I can afford to lost… I doubt 100% of investors think the same.
I suppose there is still 1.5 months to wait :) maybe it will bounce back huge lol
