A Project Manager
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I tried to express this issue way back (right after JABOT) (check skype log, search for scrum kanban etc…), not a freaking soul would listen.
Theese kinda things is what pisses me off.
Not a single fuck was given that day i tried to get this hammered through, now all of a sudden it is now done, and we have put our “PR” guy to do the job? When and by who was this decision made.
Im sure we have someone not that occupied and that might have more management experience to get onboard on this?
Previously experience shows that Chris and Devs not necessary get along…
Btw this is nothing personal against Chris, the only reason he ends up in the crosshair every time we discuss something is cause he seems to allways be the failover guy
when stuff needs doing. Which then again makes it halfass cause you can only juggle so many balls.
Regarding your point about having the idea ages ago: you don’t need to wait for permission you just set up the trello like Calem did. We did try it out before on do.com but not many people took part and I was spread too thin to be chasing people up.
To your point on me and devs not getting on: I only agreed to this because other people pushed me forward, I am more than happy to leave this for others to take on as my time is quite limited anyway.
Vizay and Calem have volunteered I don’t think anyone would object to you being part of it you have worked extremely hard for Feathercoin in the past.
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I am mistaken, it was @Vizay who setup the Trello :)
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Regarding your point about having the idea ages ago: you don’t need to wait for permission you just set up the trello like Calem did. We did try it out before on do.com but not many people took part and I was spread too thin to be chasing people up.
To your point on me and devs not getting on: I only agreed to this because other people pushed me forward, I am more than happy to leave this for others to take on as my time is quite limited anyway.
Vizay and Calem have volunteered I don’t think anyone would object to you being part of it you have worked extremely hard for Feathercoin in the past.
Yeah, its alot better if more than one can go together and make something happen, rather than just someone running with it in an one man show.
At that point in time i didnt get any traction on it. And i didnt like Do.dom, Guess not many else did either.
Like i said, it was nothing personal. And you kinda underline my points.
Your allready spread thin as is. Which makes it an good enough reason to just say no once in a while :)
What im really curios about ATM is just what kinda resources we actually have here.
Like i said, i know Java (to some degree), but thats about it. That wont take us far.
Theres no point in coming up with ideas, creating scrums, teaming up and creating donation threads if theres actually no one that is able to do the task itself. Which seems to be the headbanging wall around here atm, alot of ideas, very few to actually be able to get it done.
And if it is done, its done by ONE person (choff bush), which then again make it take forever when one guy has to tacle an large “team” project.
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Im more interessted in knowing exactly what resources Feathercoin has atm.
What skillset do people have, how much can they contribute?
An burndown chart might be as professional as possible, it still doesnt help if theres no teams behind it actually putting in the hours with it.
Just look at the feathercoin market for example, that on took FOREVER, and one of the main reasons for this is that bush had to do it all himself.
Quite an large task for one man, and by the end of it he was probably so feed up he felt feathercoin scratching his tonsils
I agree with you. Market have vasted potential.
I repeat my question: Do we (and by we I mean Bush) have any statistic about martet sales in month.
After so much time it takes to develop the market we should see every month statistic and set goal for next month and finaly start
pushing it. Just tweeting monthly statistic might be good way to ignite people interest.
- There was enormous amount of time donated to website redesign and forum change.
I am ok with site, but this forum repel people by it hidious layout and colour (and that might be officially 3-4 time I am weeping about it)
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What im really curios about ATM is just what kinda resources we actually have here.
Theres no point in coming up with ideas, creating scrums, teaming up and creating donation threads if theres actually no one that is able to do the task itself. Which seems to be the headbanging wall around here atm, alot of ideas, very few to actually be able to get it done.
And if it is done, its done by ONE person (choff bush), which then again make it take forever when one guy has to tacle an large “team” project.
This is a top priority and I’ve taken that on me as a first kind of AP to start inventorying just that. What I intend to do is gather a list of people willing to help out and what skills they believe they can help out with. The tricky part here is that this kind of thing have to be kept alive and updated on a regular basis. I haven’t quite figured out a good and natural way to do that yet tho.
Once we’ve got a list going with this info we can both start handing out tasks to people willing to take them, but hopefully also find new synergies that we haven’t thought about before thanks to a list like this :)
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For tracking and updating, what about a simple calc sheet as a start? (replace calc sheet with any online tool doing the same)
Track user name, skill area, last project worked on, date of last contribution.
If you sort that by date of last contribution or date of last project you automatically get the active members at the top and leaving or temporary inactive members move down to the bottom over time.
New participants can be entered as they contribute to a project.
From time to time you can convert it to html and place it on the server ,so everybody in need for a resource can check who could do the job.
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For automatically get the active members at the top and leaving or temporary inactive members move down to the bottom over time.
If you could make this so, that would be epic.
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Hey guys,
So I have been through all the respones in this thread and I notice that some of you are upset and some of you are looking forward to this. The thing is we have tried to organize a team before but it hasnt panned out. We are in need of immediate action, we cannot afford to wait around and discuss the semantics of the situation we are in. The reason why I elected Chris was not because he offered help but because I have talked about this for so long and I have received positive responses but no volunteers. I elected not to wait around and just start the process. In any case this is temporary and any of you who wish to offer chris help or work in tandem with him, can do so by simply sending him a message. The goal is to improve FTC from its current state and explore all other opportunities we have. This will ensure that we are on top of our game, our workload is divided efficiently and our tasks are getting completed on time. In the grand scheme of things we are but one coin among many, our goal is to be able to distinguish ourselves in a way that attracts people towards us. The only way we can do that is by showing poeple how innovative we are and what we can offer.
I look forward to all of you calming down and just taking some time to work on FTC. We put in a few good weeks of work and we will be able to work wonders. So lets all of us put the hostility and blaming aside and work for whats really important to all of us.
Regards,
Motherlode1
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One reason things don’t move quickly on setting up an organisation, is that is a specialised job setting up a work control system and each application is unique. We also have the problem of varying situations and personnel. I personally don’t like Trello, as a maintenance expert, and mananger of software development of a work control system, it has no usefull features (ie managing cyclic jobs).
However, it is a learning and set-up exercise, so usefull. For a company of our size I would expect it would take 6 to 12 months to set up and train everyone in a new work control system. To the less experienced these things might seem possible to be quicker. Wrong.
I have spent quite a bit of time looking into potential open source and forum work control systems. There doesn’t seem a lot of choice, but the first project should be a list and assessment of our needs and their capabilities.
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motherload, I hope it’s just the internet getting lost in translation, but the tone of your message sounds a touch condensing, I’ll presume that’s not how you are intending it, because it would otherwise seem out of place. Organisation is the elephant in the room, we’ve got to nail this correctly and no amount of gaffer tape and quick fixes is going to sort this long term. :)
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Muddy has bitten his tounge for now…
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You know what,
I will leave it up-to you guys to decide how you want to proceed. Consider all that I have said irrelevant. Also I will not be taking part in this anymore. I don’t think I have enough to contribute to FTC. Good luck to you all and I hope FTC earns a rightful place in the world of Crypto.
Regards,
Motherlode1
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I’d hate you to quit over this ML. It wasn’t my intention to upset you.
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Trello seems interesting, if limited. I think all members of staff should join that. We can transfer cyclic tasks etc identified on that to any permanent system. We had a similar open system on the old forum.
I propose all staff members be made project managers, i.e which means you can. as the can all sign off or add task, or see what needs doing. As with forum moderation. I certainly a start - Trello is easy to access and read.
Members can be made Project managers of specific projects. This would be open but contain organisation and mentor(ing) in its process.
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I’m not really gonna puch the trello idea much more, but I still would like to try and keep it updated. I’m not streesed if it is set to private but it’s a nice way to keep track of idea’s. Maybe oneday it grow into more but for now, I would like to continue tracking projects and saving idea’s that are yet to be fleshed out.
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From my experience here, people that work and are motivated to do something have not had a project manager but themselves. - This works best from what I have seen.
Having a project manager does not necessarily mean any more work will get done, as I see it all it means is that someone (project manager) will become very un popular very quickly - esp when they’re hounding the workers about what they have done etc, remember everyone is here because they want to make a change and be part something and no one gets paid.
For others I understand a project manager would be a good thing as some people need leadership and need to be directed as what to do next, - I do this by asking here on the forum or / and to chatting to the skype group members which has been helpful for me.
I understand that places like do.com / trello will work for some but not all - if members decide they want a project mananger or want to use trello please do not be upset when others see it differently - for a lot of members its having an awesome idea and then running with it - this is how you get the most out of a project from what I have seen.
All I ask is if you decide to use another platform for project management remember to keep the froum updated too.
I hope what I said makes sense.
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I think - pros and cons.
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I hope what I said makes sense.
It makes a lot of sense :)
You found the right words to calm down everybody a bit, I think
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Iam sad that we lost motherlode1 :(
