Time to introduce Feathercoin to public is now, not after it makes headlines again
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I don’t think we should be labeling anyone.
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I don’t think we should be labeling anyone.
What do you mean by that?
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Firstly, I am proposing to distinguish the terms “coin hoarding” and “coin squatting”. Coin hoarding is a normal, smiled upon process, that should actually be called “saving”. But I am very sorry that we need to introduce the term coin squatters for the people who buy proverbial hookers and Lamborghinis. If we don’t do it, the transition to a coin-based economy will FAIL (I use all caps very rarely).
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It bothers me greatly that the top holders of ftc have not approached us with donations to help further the coins development.
The top holder alone could sacrifice only 1% of his/her/their ftc, and the amount we could achieve would something spectacular.
I’m assume those are the types of people your calling hoarders and I completely agree.
Problem is, if we start using terminology like that in an official manner, it’s gonna impact on our image.
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It bothers me greatly that the top holders of ftc have not approached us with donations to help further the coins development.
The top holder alone could sacrifice only 1% of his/her/their ftc, and the amount we could achieve would something spectacular.
I’m assume those are the types of people your calling hoarders and I completely agree.
Problem is, if we start using terminology like that in an official manner, it’s gonna impact on our image.
You said it yourself. I am happy to see that you used the adjecive “greatly”. Feel free to suggest better names for the good guys (savers?) and the bad guys.
Coin-related cases will surely start ending up on fraud cops’ desks, we need to name the bad guys, since crypto itself isn’t bad.
White market would have to be tuned to solve this.
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I suppose they should be called the same as if it were fiat.
If it ends up in the hands of the police, then I would consider them potential criminals, innocent until proven guilty of course.
Anyone else is a citizen I suppose.
That’s what I sorta mean we don’t need labels.
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OK, I guess I didn’t make myself clear. I am not talking about guilt and crime. After all, when you have millions
in USD from coins, you don’t need to rob gas stations, so you will not end up criminally guilty, just like banksters
who build useless glass and steel palaces in the city centers don’t end up criminally guilty.
If one invests the economic resources that the users of decentralized currencies are trying to transmit into
a coin-based economy into lamborghinis and hookers, instead of Feathercoin ATMs and businesses that sell
goods for Feathercoins, it’s his or her decision. His or her right. It’s not a crime.
But it’s also true those resources are being spent inefficiently. And if the people who tried and will try
to transmit the resources into a coin-based economy ask us why is it taking off slowly (which they will!), or not
taking off at all, we will have to tell them the truth: Because some people transmitted the resources right back
into the fiat-based economy, instead of building Feathercoin ATMs and Feathercoin-based businesses.
Now some members among the Feathercoin users might actually honestly think that we are running
a get-rich-quick scheme here where they plant a penny and harvest a pound. And we are actually not that
far from the situation, and the reason is because the technology today is so advanced, that if the burden
o fractional-reseve banking is taken off its neck, it can indeed offer returns that we don’t think are possible.
In other words, our ancestors have invested so much effort into developing efficient industrial methods,
that all we need to do is to dismantle “economic stimulation”. We are not aware of how efficient the industry
today is, because banksters waste literally everything. But the success of Feathercoin won’t happen unless
a certain fraction, let’s say at least 20%, of the economic resources transmitted to its economy engages in
industrial and agricultural production.
If we tell our users that no, that pound you harvest represents our common effort to get rid of the fiat-based
economy, you have to use it conscientiously, they mostly will change their mind and indeed use it to build
Feather-based economy.
But some of them will not change their mind, because it is now scientifically proven that some people â€" between
1% to 4% of them â€" do not have conscience at all. They will always spend 100% of the resources they get their
hands on on their personal gratification, while asserting convincingly that they will do the opposite. This is now
a known, scientifically proven fact.
These people are often very successful today, because they do not spend time having concerns about their
actions, thinking about where the society is right now, where is it heading, what impact will their action have etc.
They are satisfied to think narrowly what action will be rewarded by their first-hand personal enrichment, which
is much simpler and much less time consuming thing to do, and then they feel good about that, no additional
concerns. They take anyone having such concerns for an idiot. They go straight for the corporate career, they
go straight for the post of financial director, etc.
When bitcoin has started up, its early adopters were dreamers, they were revolutionaries fed up with the
banksters wasting our common future, they were people with conscience. People without conscience avoided
the community of decentralized currencies because they thought that corporate community is where the money
is. But now they see that the community of decentralized currencies does offer some financial opportunities.
People without conscience in the coin crowd will go straight for the neck. They will prefer smaller coins such as
us, of which they can own a large share, and which they can control more easily, or they will launch new coins
entirely for themselves, which they will find even easier to control. You can almost count the people without
conscience in the crypto crowd by counting the alts, but note that some of them launch whole flocks of alts per
individual. We might have one, or two, or three such people already attached to Feathercoin, controlling 50,
or 70, or 90% of our coin supply by now.
I think that I will have to make 3 presentations, 3 talks:
- Feathercoin futures, which will show what is going to happen if we don’t do anything.
- Background of the financial crisis, devoted to the hypothesis that people without conscience are
responsible for the crisis, that made clear that something is wrong with the world. - Remedy proposal, where I present details of why we need Feather to succeed quickly, and the white
market infrastructure that I propose to save Feathercoin from possible bad future.
I do not intend to label anyone at all anywhere. We will let the trained diagnosticians do the labeling, and that is
only within the white market infrastructure, if we can get it done, and only for the angel investors. Nobody else
will be screened, and nobody at all will be forced to trade in the white market. Even in the white market, I do not
plan any freedom restrictions against the users, such as telling them what to do with the resources they obtain.
I only plan a stabilizer for the price curve exclusively inside the white market, and some way of mildly distinguishing
technological angel investors exclusively inside the white market. I coined the term “coin squatters” only as
a hypothetical reason we will give why do we need to give a small advantage to angel investors inside the white
market. Again, nobody will be forced to trade there, and no fingers will be ever pointed to any concrete person
whatsoever, inside or outside the white market. (So no “You are a class enemy of the working class!”)
Does this allay your concerns?
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…why is it taking off slowly…
…Because some people transmitted the resources right back into the fiat-based economy, instead of building Feathercoin ATMs and Feathercoin-based businesses…
We still have many many years before the infrastructure will exist to support general adoption of any crypto currency.
Miners do need to pay their power bills. That’s where a lot of the ftc/fiat exchanges taking place. Sometimes we are the most profitable scrypt coin so that basically is going into btc.
…why we need Feather to succeed quickly…
I would have to disagree with you there.
We can’t fall behind but there’s no need to race the other coins. If ftc grows too quickly, things will fall apart very easily.
ftc will succeed over time, provided we stay organised and continue to grow and develop the coin as the cryptosphere evolves.
Does this allay your concerns?
I’m not sure what my concerns are yet.
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All right, I must clarify myself again. When I’m talking about the users asking why FTC is taking off slowly, I’m talking about the users 5 years from now. FTC is very cheap today, and unless the major exchanges kick us out, will take off nicely to high prices. But if, in 5 years, if it becomes obvious it’s going nowhere, if FTC becomes worthless again, that’s when the users will start asking the question I’m worried about today.
You said it yourself that it bothers you greatly that the big holders are not friends of the coin. It bothers me greatly, too. I think that due to this, we have no reason for optimism unless we do something substantial now, not after the coin rises to the damn sky. That’s why I want the white market, and that’s why I want to go to the cops. Cops are citizens, too, after all. They have the same right to invest.
When I’m talking about Feathercoin succeeding quickly, I’m talking about years, not days or weeks, and by succeeding, I don’t mean filling my damn pockets on the damn pump, but repairing damn economic system. And that won’t happen without damn industrialists and damn cops. I repeat myself, I don’t think we can be optimistic about this unless we do something.
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All right, I must clarify myself again. When I’m talking about the users asking why FTC is taking off slowly, I’m talking about the users 5 years from now. FTC is very cheap today, and unless the major exchanges kick us out, will take off nicely to high prices. But if, in 5 years, it becomes obvious it’s going nowhere, if FTC becomes worthless again, that’s when the users will start asking the question I’m worried about today.
I’m not worried about something 5 years from now that is yet to happen. When/If it does, we can cross that bridge when the time comes.
You said it yourself that it bothers you greatly that the big holders are not friends of the coin.
Didn’t say they weren’t friends. Only said that it bothers me that they haven’t donated anything considering how much they hold.
When I’m talking about Feathercoin succeeding quickly, I’m talking about years, not days or weeks, and by succeeding, I don’t mean filling my damn pockets on the damn pump, but repairing damn economic system. And that won’t happen without damn industrialists and damn cops. I repeat myself, I don’t think we can be optimistic about this unless we do something.
What are you suggesting because I am already optimistic.
There’s a lot going on and feathercoin is quietly leading the way in regards to development.
We can reach out to the fraud cops etc, I’m all for this, but I’m just wondering if our words would fall on deaf ears.
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I’m not worried about something 5 years from now that is yet to happen.
That’s like a driver saying he’s not worried about something 50 meters in fron of the car that is yet to happen.
Didn’t say they weren’t friends. Only said that it bothers me that they haven’t donated anything considering how much they hold.
If they were friends, they would show it. Duh. The working hypothesis must be that they want Feather to fail and
that they will use the economic resources of Feather investors to annihilate all positive efforts and simply bash
Feathercoin back down, and buy more just to be sure it stays there. To psychopaths, which I suspect our major
holders already are, this would be more psychologically rewarding than repairing something. Psychopaths enjoy
making other people lose, due to physiological differeces in their brains. They have to be taken into account.We can reach out to the fraud cops etc, I’m all for this, but I’m just wondering if our words would fall on deaf ears.
I’m saying, let’s reach out to fraud cops, personality disorder experts and tech angel investors now. Coins are
legal, cops are citizens, if we are going to repair the economic system with them, then they should buy in now.
And we should make sure we don’t crash 5 years from now because we hit a bump 5 months from now. We are supposed
to be fighting damn windmills here.I should start preparing that presentation on Feathercoin futures, but I’d like some feedback from Bush, Ruthie
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I’m not sure that your are correct about greedy people being psychopaths. Greed is a natural thing its essentially the principle used to stimulate mining to secure the block chain. And its the reason a lot of people first get into crypto. “Maybe I could make some free money.” …etc.
I think we also need to be careful about making judgements about how people spend their coins. Not everyone is in a situation where they could afford to help sponsor a new economic movement. And to be fair some just don’t want to. Regardless what they did to acquire the coins (criminality excluded) they do belong to them and I’m happy for them to make there own choice what to do with them.
This isn’t communism (however great that might seem) its free choice.But I think what we need to do is show our community why donating/investing in the future could be both mutually beneficial and how it could benefit the whole population.
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Pity we didn’t think of something along the lines of the ice bucket challenge or maybe someone here smart enough can.
Promotion through charity would be one way to tell the public about us and to do something good at the same time.
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I’m not sure that your are correct about greedy people being psychopaths. Greed is a natural thing…
I never said greedy people were psychopaths. Greed trait is orthogonal to psychopathy.
This isn’t communism (however great that might seem) its free choice. …
I’m happy for them to make there own choice what to do with them. … is has to be a choice …I grew up in communism. I saw it. I can tell you that whole world is going communist, USA, EU, WTO, and I hate it. I disclaimed it here twice, and you still throw it in my face.
I said explicitly “nobody at all will be ever forced to trade in the white market”, and “no fingers will be ever pointed to any concrete person whatsoever, inside or outside the white market”.
Current doesn’t flow through a diode in the reverse direction. A deflationary currency that is 80% owned by its adversaries and inflationary 99% of the time is a diode plugged in the reverse direction. You need to put a hole in it.
The way to do it is to make a small, stabilized market, where people can get excited about the coin. And because 80% of the coins are in the adversaries’ pockets, the market has to be white in order to make stabilization possible.
Secondly, as for the push for the tech angels, the reason why I want to give it to them is to show we’re not running a Ponzi scheme. Ponzi bought air con for his big house, a great luxury at the time. We don’t want to make ourselves famous in this way.
And since we are not living in a zero sum world, I firmly believe we can find a way to give the tech angels a push without harming anyone or infringing on anyone’s freedom.
All else is up for discussion. If you don’t like the PR terms I invented, such as “coin squatter”, invent better words for Ponzis among us. Calem thinks we can keep it all light and positive, calling everyone just citizens, but those who will lose to scamcoins will want a noun to blame, and if we don’t give them Ponzis, they will blame alts, and all of us with them.
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Btw. all those who think I’m talking too much, help me invite more problem solvers to the community.
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Btw. all those who think I’m talking too much, help me invite more problem solvers to the community.
Actually you might be filling the gap that ocured after Kevlar jumped the ship and ChrisJ joined WCN.
Keep talking…as far as I observe your posts, there are real opinions behind most of them.
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And what is most dangerous your style of writing ignite thinking process so keep talking.
I am trying to spot new official team members and you are on my list…
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I didn’t say you were promoting communism and none of my comments were directed at you personally.
I agree a white market is a great idea I’m happy to be part of that. I can also understand the benefits that would come from having a stable open trading platform where we can implement a stabilisation strategy if for no other reason than to help businesses who want to accept FTC get a fair price without having to worry about the volatility too much.
I’m pretty sure were on the same page here and getting others involved at this early stage including the police or whoever would help greatly.
All my previous comments were really trying to say was we need to be careful not to brand those who don’t financially help build our new economy as I believe that half the battle is just getting people to show up and show an interest.
I think if we can get a community based white trading platform up and running it may be able to finance other projects.
If we are serious about a stability fund maybe we don’t need to wait until we can get our own exchange up and running. Maybe cryptonit may be a good place to start. Its got a small market for FTC right now. Its pretty strict on user verification anyway. So maybe we start pooling some funds sign some kind of community agreement for the use of the coins. Its been pretty stable recently.
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Or do you have any better phrase than “coin squatters” for people who buy for pennies and waste 100% of the obtained economic resources on Lamborghinis and paragliding in Peru? This is not going make public like us, we have to distance ourselves from it. Those resources were supposed to land in a new, coin-based economy. Trickle-down effect from Lamborghinis and paragliding is very very roundabout. We need a word for crypto bums. “Crypto kings” is stupid, “crypto barons” makes us look worse than we deserve… I think “coin squatters” is good for explaining that the problem with scam coins is not with the coin idea itself, but with the coin hoarders who dump, take away the resources and abandon the coin.
Fortunately, they will have to part with it at some point to the free wild market to pay for said “coke n hookers”?
Hopefully some of that will be made more freely available once Neo goes live?
Or there are other possible scenarios, like the £ finally collapsing (hurrah) people panic selling or panic buying, and they’ll sell eventually to pay for items? But speculation is wasted energy. I prefer to deal in facts.
You made some good points throughout this thread, very good points. The idea of the people you’re contacting are pretty cool, though I haven’t really given it much thought on the choice of avenue of subjects, would I be wrong in “assuming” you would like to see crypto “recognised” officially in the scientific community that we’re a valid science, with a lot of potential?
I do think your idea about educating the police under “common law” really crypto stands for now. Their basis of “oath” is to act under common law and to protect that rights. So yeah, that tickles me to think they’d be the most obvious choice to take it too, so long as there are still popo’s with an ounce of belief in that oath they took?
The longer we can keep crypto out of the hands of lawyers, seriously, the better for all of you…
I am assuming you’re talking about the infrastructure now?
You see crypto differently from myself maybe? I view it to replace a corrupt and broken system, such as Gvts being able to generate their own tax revenues from asics in your TV’s for hashing out their own economic systems…da s**t!..a Gvt could “profit” run on “Integrity”, what a novel concept! Lulz (but that’s my personal project :P ) you want to “repair” the system? not trying to be funny, but, how the fluff can you repair a ponzi, or is it just a word to lure interest in people used to the old system only? If I can’t see your perspective, I can’t see your problem clearly. Merely discussion, no malice.
If Neo is all cool, yeah, no need to worry about the blockchain for a bit, so yes, forward thinking past it
There’s one group everyone seems to keep overlooking…
The poor!
I mean, we’re everywhere, lots of people can’t even get bank accounts in the UK anymore, and numbers are growing all the time. Surely getting the “unbanked” on board would be of greater benefit to all sides? The more volume people want to spend, would that not in itself attract the support to the blockchain to support increased funding to be able to afford to spend Ftc on projects like educating the police, or scientific institutes?
I don’t want to hijack anything, just throw this into the mix of the thread…
how?
I think it would be valid to add lizhi’s DAC’s idea into your equation somehow…dunno, just seems like a logical summary of what stands out right now (to me anyway) with the Neo (almost) out of the way?
Edit: In fact, I just gave myself a concept for an entire banking system part POS, so yeah, cheers guys lol
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Your style somewhat reminds me of Finnegans Wake, but with substance, so I will answer in seriousness.
The diode metaphor is good. We have a deflationary coin looking mostly inflationary. People try to get rich quick, and block the road together. The only point the diode metaphor doesn’t capture is the danger of big holders hostile to the coin.
A diode can be defeated by brute force. I thus initially proposed to use the BDFL’s authority to instamine a bag huge enough to stabilize the rise. I proposed to bless the ACP white mint and call the instamine its reward. Bush rejected this monstrosity, which I understand. But it would work.
Now I’m proposing something which may work even better: to short-circuit the diode locally and make a hot spot that burns it out as it happens to real diodes.
To be “localized”, to avoid struggling with all the coins at once, the market will need daily buy/sell limits, and it will have to be white to make the limits enforceable. That isn’t a monstrosity, every market has rules. Inside, we the coin hoarders could pool sufficiently big bag to stabilize the rise under given trading limits.
Fortunately, they will have to part with it at some point to the free wild market to pay for said “coke n hookers”?
Normal traders would be encouraged to prioritize personal gratification. That’s how capitalism works. And that’s how the bad guys don’t get advantage over the good guys in an environment where we are unable to reward the good and punish the bad.
The only group of which a specific spending behavior would be hoped for would be the tech angel investors, advantaged by higher trading limits. They would necessarily have to be screened (because we need to somehow define who is a tech angel), but their spending decisions would never be judged. And we would see if forensic science is developed enough to screen them well.
The idea of the people you’re contacting are pretty cool, though I haven’t really given it much thought on the choice of avenue of subjects…
This is a numbers game. I am also contacting them to verbalize my thoughts, and to justify me occupying the soapbox by calling upon my betters. Maybe they’ll respond when Bush writes them directly.
… would I be wrong in “assuming” you would like to see crypto “recognised” officially in the scientific community…
Officially? After 2 millenia, there is still no royal road to mathematics. Decentralized currencies are instantly recognized by any mathematician who reads Nakamoto’s paper.
I’m just calling upon problem solvers. Cops, psychopath exorcists, futures scientist who presaged decentralized currencies… That kind of guys. We’ll need industrial psychologists to screen the angels, we’ll need cyber cops to guard cryptonit or any other place where the white market is. It will get very hot there. I feel safe doing it now while the price is low.
Tech angels will get VIP treatment in the white market, but we’ll also have to hurry on them.
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Btw. with industrial psychologists in place, I would dare to call Sunny King for an offline meeting. There is a chance he is either normal, or grandiose enough to work with.
