Myriad coin pumped 100% after releasing SMS wallet
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The philosophy of zero leader anarchy is lost without the tools of democracy. We need to lead the way with a clever way of coming about a consensus and ‘practice what we preach’ about blockchain technology.
Damnit! no philosophy!
‘practice what we preach’ about blockchain technology.
You refering to me not knowing enough about blockchain technology?
I made an suggestion, thats all. Im not saying its possible nor plausible. But its ideas i think would be real positive, if they could be done.
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Ha! No. Sorry, well crossed wires there. I’m actually agreeing with you, there’s always a heavy dollop of philosophy splattered on the community and it’s all fluffy ideal world stuff. Be your own leader has created anarchy with zero direction and little actual democracy. How does it work? What is the mechanism by which the community comes about a decision? We don’t vote on anything? it’s left to doers to do stuff?
Re: Blockchain, no I mean, the promises of what the blockchain can do for the democratic processes.
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Hmm, i seem to recall this feature in the previouse forum. Didnt go that well actually, and the whole thing got bloated.
What im trying to say is that a couple of core elements of the coin needs to be adjusted/implemented to make us stand out of from the herd, theres nothing wrong with small projects here and there
But they are not gonna make much impact on the popularity/value of the coin. Neither gonna help to get new members either.
Feathercoin needs to be brought back to the golden days when it was blooming on the chat boxes, on alt forums etc. both in positive and negative feedback.
Not sure what you meant with that first sentence? :)
About evolution of the coin, I honestly don’t think that a new technology of some sorts, baked into the coin, will do the trick. We see new algos each day, we see new technical stuff and protections being implemented in every new coin that pops up out there. How to differentiate from that?
Be the first coin to offer more than a cool technical thing that only miners care about. The first coin to step out of the technical shoes and turn towards a wider crowd (ease of use, availability, security) will be the new star in the biz.
Easy put, Merchants and my mom doesn’t give a flying f*ck about what algo is being used or how many coins a block generate. They will however be interested if we can offer a coin that make their life easier :)
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Dude i think you have completely gotten me wrong.
Not sure what you meant with that first sentence? :)
With the first sentence i refered to when development were to be handed to the comunity with freeforall and teams all over the wazo, the forum had like 50 different topics, everything was an mess and everone where everywhere working on different things, nothing got completed,
and those thise that got completeted got drown by the jabot/unocs scandale, not to mention the wear/tear on people to keep giving and giving (donations, spend their hours for free ++)
The problem as i see it today is that when someone get an idea, the idea and teaming happens in feathercoin, then when completion it gets announced on feathercoin with the following discussing that comes along with it.
Kinda pointless, by feathercoin for feathercoin if you get what i mean.
This is EXACTLY why myriadcoin said; we are the first to have SMS service!.
Unless they were on the feathercoin forum its really hard to miss that one post somewhere else about the feature (weekly newsletter, which everyone except feathercoiners ignore). And this is one of the things i think myriadcoin
does a better job on. Everything there happens on the bitcointalk thread/s Except from core development that isnt public for anyone. Which hence creates speculation and excitement, and helps to intrigue investors/create an focus on em.
About evolution of the coin, I honestly don’t think that a new technology of some sorts, baked into the coin, will do the trick. We see new algos each day, we see new technical stuff and protections being implemented in every new coin that pops up out there. How to differentiate from that?
And i did not talk about ALGO being the savior in shiny armor, quite the opposite. I do believe an new ALGO will do jack shit for the currency.
Im talking about actually do something different, as of now (except from the hated ACP) we are an complete clone, sprinkled with some neat accessories.
We once started up with beeing an comunity coin and all that brought with it. However i will say that the comunity aint as strong as it once was (JABOT!, UUUUNOCS).
Why not be first at something, i know no other coins that have any of those two suggestions i wrote.
Be the first coin to offer more than a cool technical thing that only miners care about. The first coin to step out of the technical shoes and turn towards a wider crowd (ease of use, availability, security) will be the new star in the biz.
Well, join the 433 other coins (33 just the last month!)
Appart from blocksize/algo/target algo/number of coins/blocktime/premine/POS,POW theres not much difference from there is there.
Easy put, Merchants and my mom doesn’t give a flying f*ck about what algo is being used or how many coins a block generate. They will however be interested if we can offer a coin that make their life easier :)
Pr today the geeks are the ones that brings this stuff to their mothers and merchants. Without them your left with the “Oxford Blue pub” and as many as ChrisJ can manage to pursvey.
Have an good coin, with good rep/development, and people will adopt it. PR will do itself, through others.
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I agree with that. There’s the ‘firefox factor’, where because geeks know a product is better they push it upon their parents/friends. I don’t think we are at that stage yet. I think that sort of user-friendliness won’t come from feathercoin directly, it will come from from 3rd Party service providers once the is a market for it.
That said, there are two sides to this coin, the tech and the human (community) sides. I’d like to see more than just a technical experiment. How can we ‘the community’ best apply Feathercoin. How can the Community best organise itself. How can the Community offer a democratic process, can we do something new using the blockchain?
I think we need to bring it back to simple questions like, “how does the community make a decision” and “can that decision making process scale with the size of the community”
We need to become the proof of the concept.
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I agree with that. There’s the ‘firefox factor’, where because geeks know a product is better they push it upon their parents/friends. I don’t think we are at that stage yet. I think that sort of user-friendliness won’t come from feathercoin directly, it will come from from 3rd Party service providers once the is a market for it.
That said, there are two sides to this coin, the tech and the human (community) sides. I’d like to see more than just a technical experiment. How can we ‘the community’ best apply Feathercoin. How can the Community best organise itself. How can the Community offer a democratic process, can we do something new using the blockchain?
I think we need to bring it back to simple questions like, “how does the community make a decision” and “can that decision making process scale with the size of the community”
Thats the thing. If you have 100 people finding out what to do. its gonna be an mess to actually get something done.
Previously when something should have been done it has been an eternity of back/forth discussion. Kinda makes nothing happen and waste alot of time
Just look at previouse threads regarding ACP/Diff target/ and so on. I do agree that before fully implenting there should be an quick walkthrough/testing to make sure
that you havent completely fucked it up (like Darkcoin/microcoin and many different others did (node trouble forking all over etc))
Leave the Core stuff to the proper devs with enough insight to discuss and implement it in an professional matter.
Then let the comunity help support it by talking about it, being an third party supplier of something (games/exchanges/whateverkindofapp).
And if theres some functionally that we want developed that should be free (that the creator shouldnt take money for), maybe have a way to actually pay him (my first suggestion for example).
Also if you leave out the geek factor you can kiss byebye to the news media actually picking some of it up and enlightening new people. I have read several things about different coins in Norwegian media (both IT news, and general living magasin stuff).
Never heard anything about Feathercoin there though…
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I been sitting back chilling today and thinking, it hurt a lot, but I’ll share it.
Now, we all know that algorithms are evolving, different ways to mine, faster transactions (add multitude of lot of useless functions here) which is all well and good.
BUT!
what is everyone overlooking?
The very DNA Satoshi gave us, the actual Block chains themselves, instead of worrying about price, wonder, what you can do with that piece of DNA? what can you add to it that makes it more than mere currency? Do you get where I’m coming from?
It’s a stupid example, but the first to come to mind just now.
I setup a shop, on a blockchain, be it a bookshop, or a video store, as easy examples. Now on this blockchain you have your entire shops catalogue, Now I want to purchase “Crypto for dummies” on video, my FTC transaction would be recorded on the shops block chain as you make your purchase, but we don’t have the tech to store 50 gig movies in a chain easily yet, unless you merkle tree using them as “cold storage wallets” ??
BUT…what would be stopping the blockchain being linked on purchase to an HTTP layer that would provide access to that video and I could download it?
You could apply this principle to all sorts of different opportunities, using various platforms of product delivery, could you not, all run from one blockchain?
Now, all the coins are losing value, there are few winners right now, with the exception of the P&D crap coins, look at PPC, NMC, all in the same boat.
My thinking about this, which includes Feathercoin is because, there are advances, yes, FTC is still putting out great ideas and work. But, what is truly making FTC a “way of life” “worth being a part of” other than it being a “community currency”?
The “Coin” is only the beginning of what’s still to come, not worth thinking about getting a head start? Be Innovators, again and again and again
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Thats the thing. If you have 100 people finding out what to do. its gonna be an mess to actually get something done.
Previously when something should have been done it has been an eternity of back/forth discussion. Kinda makes nothing happen and waste alot of time
Just look at previouse threads regarding ACP/Diff target/ and so on. I do agree that before fully implenting there should be an quick walkthrough/testing to make sure
that you havent completely fucked it up (like Darkcoin/microcoin and many different others did (node trouble forking all over etc))
I think the back and forward is because of the lack of pre-agreed process. There needs to be an understanding and consensus about the process by which stuff is agreed upon else 10 pages of forum discussion is inevitable. We are essentially passing round the conch letting everyone have a say and it’s long winded. Especially as it only offers the illusion of democracy, who’s counting up the aye and nays on that thread?
Putting it to a trusted board, panel, foundation or whatever, who are all eligible to vote within a time limit, could speed up the decision making process. You could make the whole process public and transparent and even open it up, for a limited time frame of questioning/criticism from the general public if you wanted. It’s important not to have a democratic freeze and it’s important not to have incorrectly made group choices.
Shrug.
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The biggest issue as i see it is that theres alot of good ideas, but very few to actually do something about them.
If we did an raise of hand as to what skills people actually had it would look pretty bleak at some of the important departments i think (programming, graphics etc).
This kinda leave alot of the programming work in bush´s hands (and Ghostlander whom is no longer on the feathercoin team but are heading phoenixcoin). (would be nice with paid hours, suggestion 1.)
The graphics stuff is as far as i know mainly done by iawgom, he must start to get tired of all that free work (suggestion 1 :P )
As for the “cool 3D” video stuff i guess those that did the previouse ones left the ship during the JABOT time.
I for one know for the most part Java (im no expert!), but it leaves me with an understanding of buildup/functions and able to read most code with an certain degree of understanding (php,C#,Javascript,HTML and so on). I do however know very little about C+ and other native languages, which is necessary to actually understand the core “cryptocoin” code/work on it.
Dont get me wrong, some cut and paste to create an own coin i could do, after all the source is out there.
But lets be honest, without proper knowledge about handling functions and variables to avoid buffer overflow and other nasties, im better to leave it alone!
So conclusion, we get an bunch of great ideas, but some of them are pretty big projects, and without enough manpower/“skillset” their not gonna happen unless someone find som money somewhere.
Especially given the resent value of feathercoin on the exchange. You need alot of feathercoins to be invested in it enough to spend that amount of hours here.
This might as well be some of the reason why the exchange value has plummeted the last one/two weeks, people giving up?
I know a good couple of guys that have allready started to look elsewhere.
Which is one of the reasons why this whole thread took me so freakishly off topice
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Going back to your original point about a ‘fund’, I think a board holding multi signature keys who are responsible for releasing bounties would be as good way to go. The fund could be community crowd funded or something a little more radical as you’ve suggested, I’m not sure.
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Is there a thread of “people skills”?
and jobs that need doing?
I mean, I don’t mind helping out with some graphics or something if they needed done, have some published work out there, programming, forget it, not much call for assembly and rusty HTML
I do sod all most of the time, so the offer is there if needed, just shoot me a pm
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You sound a bit jealous
and nope, not 100% dump
They are still at 30. went from 20 to 35, and now at 30. Im betting it will stay stable there for an while
Oh and they now have revealed an ATM prototype developed by one of the members.
Gotta say im pretty impressed with the agility and active development going on over there.
Top of the pump was 550…
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Top of the pump was 550…
Oh, didnt see that one.
Been pretty occupied lately (except from the occationally forum whine)
