13 to 18 year olds having their details on the Feathercoin map for potential FTC exchange
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I agree this is important and it would be great to hear how others feel about this.
HopeStillFlies, sorry to have offended you.
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[quote name=“HopeStillFlies” post=“28543” timestamp=“1379620373”]
[quote author=jeremiel link=topic=3702.msg28541#msg28541 date=1379619820]
Whoa now.This discussion was about market manipulation and how can we as a community dilute it’s affects. On topic
Person to Person exchange is one way and shouldn’t be a sole focus.
[/quote]Sorry for the collateral damage, but that really set me off. Things are looking stagnant and I know that has people on some edge. But for it to be discussed as the alternative right after I get a couple of PMs telling me what’s to be done with any of my personal info, it was a real wtf moment.[quote author=Bushstar link=topic=3702.msg28542#msg28542 date=1379619946]
I’m not sure what to say. Does the community have any thoughts on 13 to 18 year olds having their details on the Feathercoin map for potential FTC exchange?I’m interested in thoughts as I do not personally have experience of this but have what I consider to be valid concerns of safety.
[/quote]Might as well start a new topic on it so I don’t keep crapping in jeremiel’s thread.I don’t think we’re given enough credit. I have a localbitcoins.com account for crying out loud.
[/quote]I didn’t take offense. I’m 1/4 troll so I have some thick skin. ;)
The problem that’s happening right now with feathercoin is we technically had one singular voice with Justabit. One single person managing projects and interacting with members. One person constantly talking about feathercoin everywhere. Now we all must find our voice together as a group. We need to collate our ideas together and move forward. Right, I’m trying to setup a wiki to help with the management so everyone can understand everything we are doing so that issues like this are easily resolved by a mere reference.
I didn’t try this earlier because of the UNOCS thing I felt my voice didn’t matter so why should I even attempt. Well, your voice matters. We should focus on inclusion of as many as possible into our projects. Though the people doing the majority of the heavy lifting for those projects should get final influence.
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I think we have got our wires crossed here. @hopestillflies, please forgive us. @Tuneman1980 and I just started the map for fun to see if we could get some meetups and p2p exchanges of Feathercoin going. When I noticed your age on your profile I thought I would check first with you and Ruth if it’s okay; I don’t know anything about law and at the ripe old age of 33 all I know is that I should check first before doing anything.
So I thought I should check first and now it looks like I have caused offence which is hurting me more than I thought it would.
You were not taken off the map, I wanted to make sure it was okay first before you were put on and I have sent emails to other people too checking with them first but it I seems I have screwed things up a bit here. [b]Hell, if you give me your gmail account I’ll give you admin rights to the map itself and you can help us build it[/b]. I hate authoritarianism as much as you do!
As for “distancing ourselves from exchanges” it’s worth noting that if Crypto exchanges were regulated the same way as regular markets you would be discriminated against because of your age. Fortunately we do have the technology with things like Bitbargain and Localbitcoins.com that we can have p2p exchanges that can get around this.
I am very sorry to see you go, if that’s the case. I really messed this up and you will be welcome back anytime. If there’s anything I can do to make amends please let me know.
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[quote name=“MrFeathers” post=“28563” timestamp=“1379627078”]
The map only lists city not address. That doesn’t tell you much. Overall its safer than a facebook account with low privacy settings (anyone over 13 can post their full address to facebook). Also, from what I am looking at this map doesn’t actually facilitate any way to meet up in person. I say let him list his city.
[/quote]It’s the start of an idea. Doing a simple manual proof of concept.
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[quote name=“Bushstar” post=“28542” timestamp=“1379619946”]
I’m not sure what to say. Does the community have any thoughts on 13 to 18 year olds having their details on the Feathercoin map for potential FTC exchange?I’m interested in thoughts as I do not personally have experience of this but have what I consider to be valid concerns of safety.
[/quote]You know who Aaron Swartz was? Was involved in a few projects you may recognize: RSS, Creative Commons, Markdown, web.py, reddit.com, Demand Progress… Do you know how old he was when he did that stuff? He was 13 when he won the ArsDigita Prize. He was 14 he became a member of the working group that authored the RSS 1.0 web syndication specification. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz[/url]
Aaron didn’t achieve what he did because he let people tell him “no, you’re too young” and accepted it. In the end he died being a martyr for our rights. He committed suicide at the beginning of this year because he was facing a life sentence for downloading and redistributing works [u][i]in the public commons[/i][/u]. Read all the way down to the JSTOR fiasco for the full details of his battle against government oppression and censorship, and the tragic story of a hero forced to take his life before the age of 30.
You should respect people regardless of their age. Value their contribution. Treat them like any other member of the community.
That doesn’t just apply to 13-18 year old’s either, Bushstar.
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As far I can see, the only details listed on the map are the person’s FTC forum nickname and city. Age is irrelevant. HopeStillFlies, minus the profanity, sounds like a fairly well grounded person. I doubt she’d be arranging to meet with user “NotaPedophile” at 11:45pm at the back portion of a Wal-Mart parking lot.
Kevlar +1 - I remember meeting people IRL off of Microsoft Comic Chat/IRC circa 1996/97 when I was a young lad. Met many great people and apparently I’m still here - getting to live to tell the tale. It was nice to be treated as a peer rather than a peeve.
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I share many similar experiences. Conferences are the bomb.
[quote name=“mnstrcck” post=“28575” timestamp=“1379642135”]
It was nice to be treated as a peer rather than a peeve.
[/quote]Yeah… I know what you mean… ???
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[quote name=“mnstrcck” post=“28575” timestamp=“1379642135”]
As far I can see, the only details listed on the map are the person’s FTC forum nickname and city. Age is irrelevant. HopeStillFlies, minus the profanity, sounds like a fairly well grounded person. I doubt she’d be arranging to meet with user “NotaPedophile” at 11:45pm at the back portion of a Wal-Mart parking lot.Kevlar +1 - I remember meeting people IRL off of Microsoft Comic Chat/IRC circa 1996/97 when I was a young lad. Met many great people and apparently I’m still here - getting to live to tell the tale. It was nice to be treated as a peer rather than a peeve.
[/quote]HopeStillFlies is the exception to the rule however there’s no substitute for safety. The road to Mordor is infested with orcs.
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[quote name=“Bushstar” post=“28542” timestamp=“1379619946”]
I’m not sure what to say. Does the community have any thoughts on 13 to 18 year olds having their details on the Feathercoin map for potential FTC exchange?I’m interested in thoughts as I do not personally have experience of this but have what I consider to be valid concerns of safety.
[/quote]You only need a meeting point, not a house address. Meet at the food court at the mall in full view. Permanent locations with pseudonymous currency? lol.
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[quote name=“jeremiel” post=“28564” timestamp=“1379628434”]
[quote author=MrFeathers link=topic=3715.msg28563#msg28563 date=1379627078]
The map only lists city not address. That doesn’t tell you much. Overall its safer than a facebook account with low privacy settings (anyone over 13 can post their full address to facebook). Also, from what I am looking at this map doesn’t actually facilitate any way to meet up in person. I say let him list his city.
[/quote]It’s the start of an idea. Doing a simple manual proof of concept.
[/quote]That’s right, it’s the start of an idea to help get Feathercoin out to a wider range of people. We first started it so that members on the forum could have a tool to arrange their own meetups on the site and then it occurred to us that it would work well for p2p exchanges as well.
If we want Feathercoin to be as distributed as possible do we want exchanges to be the only place where you can buy them? Or do we feel that more options like p2p make it stronger? I wouldn’t say that p2p should be the focus but rather it should be one of a number ways to get hold of them.
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[quote name=“HopeStillFlies” post=“28532” timestamp=“1379617991”]
[quote author=chrisj link=topic=3702.msg28453#msg28453 date=1379539205]This is one of the reasons we are asking for peoples’ locations here:
http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php?topic=3674So that we can start to make it easier for people to buy and sell Feathercoins peer to peer. But this is work in progress at the moment.
[/quote]So one of the reasons of the map is to make it to where community members can buy/sell FTC [i]because you’re wanting to distance yourself from exchanges[/i] and be less reliant on them.
Okay. So the focused means of exchange for the coin I’ve been mining will be person to person.
So where’s the goddamn sense in removing my username and location for safety reasons if that’s how you’re wanting FTC to be exchanged?
Fuck you guys. Seriously.
I’ve got about 1000FTC. It’s not much, but I’m selling it. PM me for offers people, I’m out.
[/quote]Local Exchange of coins person to person is an excellent idea, this is what happens with Bitcoin everyday, and where is Bitcoin on the Crypto Spectrum… doesn’t mean you can’t use the Exchanges it’s just another option, and also gets you away from your mining operation and out of the house meeting like minded people. I think it’s a bit extreme to blow off Feathercoin just because they are trying to add another string to the Community Bow…
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Why people shouting away because they think they need to protect 13-18years old? 13-18years old are really young adults already, no longer kids. They have their way of thinking and no longer dependent on their parents to make decisions. They learn from peers and from their own experiences and if they fall, they get up and becomes wiser.
If people are so worried about 13-18years old privacy, please either you or parents 24/7 monitor what they are doing(hmm, another privacy issue) or just disconnect them. Anything online are always logged by someone, don’t let them have emails, don’t let them have facebook, twitter, etc, don’t let them read anything online, no youtube for them(tons of craps too), don’t allow them to have cell phones too, and to the extreme, don’t go to school, but home study instead. Is that the way to go?
Linking name to a city are really nothing, It does gives a feel of the community of where they are and how many are around you. To “feel” that we are dealing with a real person(regardless of age, sex and race, as long as its a human being), that the community are not limited to just Americans or the British(yes, why only FTC beer at oxford,uk, ;p ) but the fact that we are earthlings, when bushstar, chrisj or anyone exhale, that very same air gets blown across and I may get to inhale in that very same air molecule.
So, cool down and go take a shower…
Cheers…
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[quote name=“gen” post=“28591” timestamp=“1379660697”]
Linking name to a city are really nothing, It does gives a feel of the community of where they are and how many are around you. To “feel” that we are dealing with a real person(regardless of age, sex and race, as long as its a human being), that the community are not limited to just Americans or the British(yes, why only FTC beer at oxford,uk, ;p ) but the fact that we are earthlings, when bushstar, chrisj or anyone exhale, that very same air gets blown across and I may get to inhale in that very same air molecule.So, cool down and go take a shower…
Cheers…
[/quote]13 to 18 year olds aren’t in any position to trust adults when they need to get out of danger. it has nothing to do with being ready for the real world. 13 to 18 year olds are simply at a disadvantage. it’s much easier for adults to conspire against them trying to get to safety, if something happens.
Also people might not want such information up.
