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Randomdef,
The world is much bigger than you think when it comes to how many “successful” cryptocurrencies there can be as time goes on.
That’s almost like saying that there can only be 2 successful car manufacturers, software companies, ._____ fill in the blank.
The point is this, crypto (Bitcoin-based) is out of the bag. Once the genie is out of the bottle (as it is today) there is no saying how many successful ones there could be. So what if Litecoin gets #2 spot that is fine. Not gripe there. But that shouldnt stop people from starting their own chain and adding their own spin to the code (over time) and give a different community-based feel to its surroundings.
Ultimately People give something value, yes technology has to be sound, but ultimately people (free-market) will determine what is valuable and what isnt.
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This is like claiming that British engineers working with German engineering would have the same luck as Japanese management types.
“Maybe if we put the smoke back in, it will work again.”
Seriously.
The clone, clone, clone question is a suitable foundation for discussion only if you’ve never had anything but TV dinners.
Bitcoin is Lucid Emacs. Litecoin is GNU HURD. Feathercoin is nano. All pieces of software which had to break off from their roots, not because it was better (it can be), but because the community brought development to a stand still.
Quality comes from adaptability not clever design. If your community is an obstacle, you fork early or give up.
Which community / codebase is going to allow you to achieve your goals? The perfectionist? The tweaker? Or the one where everyone rolls up their sleeves without even thinking about it?
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Does it matter if the foundation code for all these coins is the same, as long as what is built on top adds value?
Sure, FTC may have the same code underneath as LTC, but the percentage of shared code will slowly go down as we add refinements and features which LTC is not doing, such as the difficulty change limits, the proposed checkpointing solution etc.
Just because two things have the same basis, does not make them the same. A Ferrari and a Fiat have the same basis, share many of the same parts and even are built by pretty much the same people, but Ferraris sell for a huge amount of money because of the perceived added value of being able to drive at 180MPH+ and having the prancing pony on the bonnet. There’s nothing (much) wrong with Fiats, but I’d prefer FTC to aim at the Ferrari end of the spectrum through adoption of newer technology solutions and generating of value of the FTC brand.
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[quote name=“spynappels” post=“16121” timestamp=“1371548763”]
Does it matter if the foundation code for all these coins is the same, as long as what is built on top adds value?Sure, FTC may have the same code underneath as LTC, but the percentage of shared code will slowly go down as we add refinements and features which LTC is not doing, such as the difficulty change limits, the proposed checkpointing solution etc.
Just because two things have the same basis, does not make them the same. A Ferrari and a Fiat have the same basis, share many of the same parts and even are built by pretty much the same people, but Ferraris sell for a huge amount of money because of the perceived added value of being able to drive at 180MPH+ and having the prancing pony on the bonnet. There’s nothing (much) wrong with Fiats, but I’d prefer FTC to aim at the Ferrari end of the spectrum through adoption of newer technology solutions and generating of value of the FTC brand.
[/quote]+1 what he said ^
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Feathercoin ‘The Ferrari of Fiat’ < I Like it :)
NM ::)
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[quote name=“UKMark” post=“16130” timestamp=“1371551624”]
Feathercoin ‘The Ferrari of Fiat’ < I Like it :)NM ::)
[/quote]The ferrari of crypto you mean?
The way i see it is at the beginning ftc was a clone of ltc (nothing wrong with that) yet already there have been changes that differentiate it. Look back at it in another year and see how similar the coin is to ltc. I have a feeling they will only have a passing similarity to each other (especially if the hash algorithm gets changed as well).
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By the time we’re done, they’ll be using our Leathercoin to push ideas forward.
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[quote name=“justabitoftime” post=“16093” timestamp=“1371532063”]
100s of Linux distributions, small incremental changes and experimentation helped it evolve. Certain Linux flavors gained more success than others by the services and support that surrounded the distribution.
[/quote]Excellent example. When was the last time an app had 2-6 lines of code changed and then branded as new and spectacular? none, ever. Why? because of the community would have laughed you out the door as a thief and an idiot who brought nothing new to the table. So changing 6 lines of code for feathercoin, and you are surprised by the backlash?
Had the feathercoin client brought something new to the table and amazing, the backlash would not be there.
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[quote name=“randomdef” post=“16154” timestamp=“1371565143”]
[quote author=justabitoftime link=topic=1992.msg16093#msg16093 date=1371532063]
100s of Linux distributions, small incremental changes and experimentation helped it evolve. Certain Linux flavors gained more success than others by the services and support that surrounded the distribution.
[/quote]Excellent example. When was the last time an app had 2-6 lines of code changed and then branded as new and spectacular? none, ever. Why? because of the community would have laughed you out the door as a thief and an idiot who brought nothing new to the table. So changing 6 lines of code for feathercoin, and you are surprised by the backlash?
Had the feathercoin client brought something new to the table and amazing, the backlash would not be there.
[/quote]I see you mining on pools, I see you still posting quite a lot on here.
I guess you’re just cashing in on the failure of feathercoin. I can see no other reason why you’re still bothering with such an abysmal failure of the theft of a concept…
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[quote name=“klenker” post=“16160” timestamp=“1371566464”]
[quote author=randomdef link=topic=1992.msg16154#msg16154 date=1371565143]
[quote author=justabitoftime link=topic=1992.msg16093#msg16093 date=1371532063]
100s of Linux distributions, small incremental changes and experimentation helped it evolve. Certain Linux flavors gained more success than others by the services and support that surrounded the distribution.
[/quote]Excellent example. When was the last time an app had 2-6 lines of code changed and then branded as new and spectacular? none, ever. Why? because of the community would have laughed you out the door as a thief and an idiot who brought nothing new to the table. So changing 6 lines of code for feathercoin, and you are surprised by the backlash?
Had the feathercoin client brought something new to the table and amazing, the backlash would not be there.
[/quote]I see you mining on pools, I see you still posting quite a lot on here.
I guess you’re just cashing in on the failure of feathercoin. I can see no other reason why you’re still bothering with such an abysmal failure of the theft of a concept…
[/quote]Oh the irony, CASHING in on failure.
Hmm :P
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woof its gettin hot in here
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[quote name=“randomdef” post=“16154” timestamp=“1371565143”]
[quote author=justabitoftime link=topic=1992.msg16093#msg16093 date=1371532063]
100s of Linux distributions, small incremental changes and experimentation helped it evolve. Certain Linux flavors gained more success than others by the services and support that surrounded the distribution.
[/quote]Excellent example. When was the last time an app had 2-6 lines of code changed and then branded as new and spectacular? none, ever. Why? because of the community would have laughed you out the door as a thief and an idiot who brought nothing new to the table. So changing 6 lines of code for feathercoin, and you are surprised by the backlash?
Had the feathercoin client brought something new to the table and amazing, the backlash would not be there.
[/quote]New and amazing is a depressingly poor and irrelevant argument.
It’s an imaginary Ayn Rand, Willy Wonka universe where everything is new and exciting, like the Love Boat.
It’s also pointless because clearly Litecoin no longer gets that backlash, so why should ours?X.org vs X11R6
GNU Emacs vs XEmacs
Harmony vs QT
Status.net vs Twitter
pico vs nanoThe changes are enough to fundamentally change the compatibility of the coin, therefore it is reasonable to change the name.
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[quote name=“randomdef” post=“16154” timestamp=“1371565143”]
[quote author=justabitoftime link=topic=1992.msg16093#msg16093 date=1371532063]
100s of Linux distributions, small incremental changes and experimentation helped it evolve. Certain Linux flavors gained more success than others by the services and support that surrounded the distribution.
[/quote]Excellent example. When was the last time an app had 2-6 lines of code changed and then branded as new and spectacular? none, ever. Why? because of the community would have laughed you out the door as a thief and an idiot who brought nothing new to the table. So changing 6 lines of code for feathercoin, and you are surprised by the backlash?
Had the feathercoin client brought something new to the table and amazing, the backlash would not be there.
[/quote]You are confused, others have tried to help you. You are either struggling to understand it or intentionally trying to avoid it. Feel free to reference Spynappels’s post for further clarification. Enjoy.
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[quote name=“justabitoftime” post=“16167” timestamp=“1371567903”]
[quote author=randomdef link=topic=1992.msg16154#msg16154 date=1371565143]
[quote author=justabitoftime link=topic=1992.msg16093#msg16093 date=1371532063]
100s of Linux distributions, small incremental changes and experimentation helped it evolve. Certain Linux flavors gained more success than others by the services and support that surrounded the distribution.
[/quote]Excellent example. When was the last time an app had 2-6 lines of code changed and then branded as new and spectacular? none, ever. Why? because of the community would have laughed you out the door as a thief and an idiot who brought nothing new to the table. So changing 6 lines of code for feathercoin, and you are surprised by the backlash?
Had the feathercoin client brought something new to the table and amazing, the backlash would not be there.
[/quote]You are confused, others have tried to help you. You are either struggling to understand it or intentionally trying to avoid it. Feel free to reference Spynappels’s post for further clarification. Enjoy.
[/quote]You are right, I am confused. Could you please point out one, just one, app (windows, linux, osx, os/2, freebsd, anything) that had 6-10 lines of code changed, with the author then contending that the app was new and different and re branded it, AND then the community accepted it?
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[quote name=“randomdef” post=“16171” timestamp=“1371568153”]
[quote author=justabitoftime link=topic=1992.msg16167#msg16167 date=1371567903]
[quote author=randomdef link=topic=1992.msg16154#msg16154 date=1371565143]
[quote author=justabitoftime link=topic=1992.msg16093#msg16093 date=1371532063]
100s of Linux distributions, small incremental changes and experimentation helped it evolve. Certain Linux flavors gained more success than others by the services and support that surrounded the distribution.
[/quote]Excellent example. When was the last time an app had 2-6 lines of code changed and then branded as new and spectacular? none, ever. Why? because of the community would have laughed you out the door as a thief and an idiot who brought nothing new to the table. So changing 6 lines of code for feathercoin, and you are surprised by the backlash?
Had the feathercoin client brought something new to the table and amazing, the backlash would not be there.
[/quote]You are confused, others have tried to help you. You are either struggling to understand it or intentionally trying to avoid it. Feel free to reference Spynappels’s post for further clarification. Enjoy.
[/quote]You are right, I am confused. Could you please point out one, just one, app (windows, linux, osx, os/2, freebsd, anything) that had 6-10 lines of code changed, with the author then contending that the app was new and different and re branded it, AND then the community accepted it?
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“community accepted it?”At least 1700 people say you’re wrong, ooops. :) I’m just happy you’ve stopped the personal attacks against the other members. If you want to spend your day talking about why you DON’T support something, that’s fine.
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[quote name=“justabitoftime” post=“16173” timestamp=“1371568781”]
[quote author=randomdef link=topic=1992.msg16171#msg16171 date=1371568153]
[quote author=justabitoftime link=topic=1992.msg16167#msg16167 date=1371567903]
[quote author=randomdef link=topic=1992.msg16154#msg16154 date=1371565143]
[quote author=justabitoftime link=topic=1992.msg16093#msg16093 date=1371532063]
100s of Linux distributions, small incremental changes and experimentation helped it evolve. Certain Linux flavors gained more success than others by the services and support that surrounded the distribution.
[/quote]Excellent example. When was the last time an app had 2-6 lines of code changed and then branded as new and spectacular? none, ever. Why? because of the community would have laughed you out the door as a thief and an idiot who brought nothing new to the table. So changing 6 lines of code for feathercoin, and you are surprised by the backlash?
Had the feathercoin client brought something new to the table and amazing, the backlash would not be there.
[/quote]You are confused, others have tried to help you. You are either struggling to understand it or intentionally trying to avoid it. Feel free to reference Spynappels’s post for further clarification. Enjoy.
[/quote]You are right, I am confused. Could you please point out one, just one, app (windows, linux, osx, os/2, freebsd, anything) that had 6-10 lines of code changed, with the author then contending that the app was new and different and re branded it, AND then the community accepted it?
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“community accepted it?”At least 1700 people say you’re wrong, ooops. :) I’m just happy you’ve stopped the personal attacks against the other members. If you want to spend your day talking about why you DON’T support something, that’s fine.
[/quote]Was my question too difficult that you felt the need to evade it, again? or was it you just don’t have an answer?
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Ladies, ladies… PLEASE! You’re both beautiful.
No, the question isn’t too difficult, it’s one that’s been addressed already: It doesn’t matter in the slightest if the foundation code for all these coins is the same, as long as what is built on top adds value.
You’re making a straw man argument, and it’s not going to get you the answer your looking for.
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[quote name=“Kevlar” post=“16194” timestamp=“1371571187”]
Ladies, ladies… PLEASE! You’re both beautiful.No, the question isn’t too difficult, it’s one that’s been addressed already: It doesn’t matter in the slightest if the foundation code for all these coins is the same, as long as what is built on top adds value.
You’re making a straw man argument, and it’s not going to get you the answer your looking for.
[/quote]Not at all! I was just following up with his analogy and requesting clarification.
It’s a conversation right up until I ask questions that no one has a great (or even subpar, or any at all) answer for, then I am a witless troll because he lacks answers.
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[quote name=“catnip” post=“16049” timestamp=“1371513837”]
People read the trollbox?I keep a stickie note over that part of the screen 8)
[/quote]+1!
The fastest way to get derailed in crypto-currencies is to read the blather in troll boxes.
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[quote name=“randomdef” post=“16171” timestamp=“1371568153”]
You are right, I am confused. Could you please point out one, just one, app (windows, linux, osx, os/2, freebsd, anything) that had 6-10 lines of code changed, with the author then contending that the app was new and different and re branded it, AND then the community accepted it?
[/quote]Those are not 6-10 lines. They are 6-10 SETTINGS. Huge difference. In the real world those settings make a coin entirely incompatible with another.
I don’t comprehend this superficial idealism for new, new, new. It’s on the Internet. The Internet is not a supermarket. It is a workshop.
If someone wants to work on something, they have to start with something that is close to what they want to do. That means they have to use stuff that’s already out there. Clearly, Bushstar did not want to work alone on it, there OMFGWTFBBQ, he had to release it BEFORE it was so PRECIOUSLY,
[move][size=18pt][tt][glow=yellow,2,300][shadow=red,left]NEW, NEW, NEW, NEW, NEW, NEW, NEW, NEW, NEW, NEW, NEW, NEW![/shadow][/glow][/tt][/size][/move]
