New Trollbox Tactic: You deadcoin are spam the vote!
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First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Did I quote that right?
It seems that despite logic and facts the trolls like to be bias towards/against certain things. Just like OP said. They claim FTC is dead yet when the community comes and actually responds we are accused/ridiculed for spamming or hyping FTC.
Can’t have it both ways lol. Trust me I know the troll logic, I wrote the book on it. :P :P :P
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to be fair thought, LTC ISNT asking anyone to vote, and it’s kicking FTC’s bumm.
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[quote name=“randomdef” post=“16046” timestamp=“1371513042”]
to be [size=10pt][b]fair[/b][/size] thought, LTC ISNT asking anyone to vote, and it’s kicking FTC’s bumm.
[/quote]Scroll back several months on btctalk forum going back up to a year and you will see it.
This is just history repeating itself. Seen it before. All the haters of LTC went silent once LTC broke $1 and held there.
Now new trolls are on board the bang wagon.
Let’s keep things in perspective when LTC was 2 months old it wasnt anywhere nearly accepted as FTC.
Let’s keep things in that perspective. LTC has had 18+ months to garner support and any infrastructure.
To not look at it that way is to be bias, like the trolls are.
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People read the trollbox?
I keep a stickie note over that part of the screen 8)
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[quote name=“catnip” post=“16049” timestamp=“1371513837”]
People read the trollbox?I keep a stickie note over that part of the screen 8)
[/quote]Pic please!! lol! ;D ;D ;D
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[quote name=“randomdef” post=“16046” timestamp=“1371513042”]
to be fair thought, LTC ISNT asking anyone to vote, and it’s kicking FTC’s bumm.
[/quote]** Squeezes cheeks ** You need to review a bit of history. :)
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does that make your begging any less pathetic?
not really, but if being pathetic once was good enough for LTC! then being sad and pathetic twice is what FTC was cloned to do!
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[quote name=“randomdef” post=“16079” timestamp=“1371528989”]
does that make your begging any less pathetic?not really, but if being pathetic once was good enough for LTC! then being sad and pathetic twice is what FTC was cloned to do!
[/quote]So this is what the kids call trolling eh?
‘Neat-o’
No-one is this oblivious to the idea of grassroots.
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[quote name=“randomdef” post=“16079” timestamp=“1371528989”]
does that make your begging any less pathetic?not really, but if being pathetic once was good enough for LTC! then being sad and pathetic twice is what FTC was cloned to do!
[/quote]who is begging?
even if it was with ltc…if it worked shouldnt it be tried again? could it hurt? oh right hurt your ego/pride :P
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The best is “FTC is a pump and dump” and “scam coin” and watching those same people on Sunday in BTC-e Trollbox posting “LTC is going to gox today” just because Gox had an outtage
Hypocrites
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[quote name=“justabitoftime” post=“16081” timestamp=“1371529392”]
[quote author=randomdef link=topic=1992.msg16079#msg16079 date=1371528989]
does that make your begging any less pathetic?not really, but if being pathetic once was good enough for LTC! then being sad and pathetic twice is what FTC was cloned to do!
[/quote]So this is what the kids call trolling eh?
‘Neat-o’
No-one is this oblivious to the idea of grassroots.
[/quote]It isnt trolling. FTC is a LTC clone, fact. You all stated that you don’t mind the FTC chat and pump because LTC did it.
That’s cool with me, but you can’t say its cool because LTC did it without really hitting home the fact that the entire code base is a carbon copy, WHICH ISNT A BAD THING. You are all very sensitive when you are called out on the truth.
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It’s pretty amazing how absent the cognitive dissonance is in the trollbox. Either these people are actually stupid or they think everyone else is. I’m leaning towards the latter.
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[quote author=justabitoftime link=topic=1992.msg16081#msg16081 date=1371529392]
[quote author=randomdef link=topic=1992.msg16079#msg16079 date=1371528989]
does that make your begging any less pathetic?not really, but if being pathetic once was good enough for LTC! then being sad and pathetic twice is what FTC was cloned to do!
[/quote]So this is what the kids call trolling eh?
‘Neat-o’
No-one is this oblivious to the idea of grassroots.
[/quote]It isnt trolling. FTC is a LTC clone, fact. You all stated that you don’t mind the FTC chat and pump because LTC did it.
That’s cool with me, but you can’t say its cool because LTC did it without really hitting home the fact that the entire code base is a carbon copy, WHICH ISNT A BAD THING. You are all very sensitive when you are called out on the truth.
[/quote]I dont see anyone denying the facts you stated. Link?
Also to add to that, how much different is Litecoin really from the Bitcoin source? Seriously? That argument is like saying it is okay that Litecoin basically copied bitcoin, but it isn’t as okay for Feathercoin to copy the litecoin code base.
Can’t have it both ways. This is likely my only gripe with the argument. If the logic is copying is bad, then Litecoin is really no different in [i][b][u]principle [/u][/b][/i]from Feathercoin.
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100s of Linux distributions, small incremental changes and experimentation helped it evolve. Certain Linux flavors gained more success than others by the services and support that surrounded the distribution.
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[quote name=“Smoothie” post=“16091” timestamp=“1371531447”]
[quote author=randomdef link=topic=1992.msg16088#msg16088 date=1371531299]
[quote author=justabitoftime link=topic=1992.msg16081#msg16081 date=1371529392]
[quote author=randomdef link=topic=1992.msg16079#msg16079 date=1371528989]
does that make your begging any less pathetic?not really, but if being pathetic once was good enough for LTC! then being sad and pathetic twice is what FTC was cloned to do!
[/quote]So this is what the kids call trolling eh?
‘Neat-o’
No-one is this oblivious to the idea of grassroots.
[/quote]It isnt trolling. FTC is a LTC clone, fact. You all stated that you don’t mind the FTC chat and pump because LTC did it.
That’s cool with me, but you can’t say its cool because LTC did it without really hitting home the fact that the entire code base is a carbon copy, WHICH ISNT A BAD THING. You are all very sensitive when you are called out on the truth.
[/quote]I dont see anyone denying the facts you stated. Link?
Also to add to that, how much different is Litecoin really from the Bitcoin source? Seriously? That argument is like saying it is okay that Litecoin basically copied bitcoin, but it isn’t as okay for Feathercoin to copy the litecoin code base.
Can’t have it both ways. This is likely my only gripe with the argument. If the logic is copying is bad, then Litecoin is really no different in [i][b][u]principle [/u][/b][/i]from Feathercoin.
[/quote]I don’t deny litecoin isn’t any better than bitcoin BUT the discussion was on the #2 status, not the king daddy. Copies of copies and no one can says which is better than which, unless you are holding a very large bag.
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[quote name=“justabitoftime” post=“16093” timestamp=“1371532063”]
100s of Linux distributions, small incremental changes and experimentation helped it evolve. Certain Linux flavors gained more success than others by the services and support that surrounded the distribution.
[/quote]+1 this is the fundamental view from history of other technology.
Trolls look at it as “well you didnt come up with a totally new code base so your version sucks”. :P
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Randomdef,
The world is much bigger than you think when it comes to how many “successful” cryptocurrencies there can be as time goes on.
That’s almost like saying that there can only be 2 successful car manufacturers, software companies, ._____ fill in the blank.
The point is this, crypto (Bitcoin-based) is out of the bag. Once the genie is out of the bottle (as it is today) there is no saying how many successful ones there could be. So what if Litecoin gets #2 spot that is fine. Not gripe there. But that shouldnt stop people from starting their own chain and adding their own spin to the code (over time) and give a different community-based feel to its surroundings.
Ultimately People give something value, yes technology has to be sound, but ultimately people (free-market) will determine what is valuable and what isnt.
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This is like claiming that British engineers working with German engineering would have the same luck as Japanese management types.
“Maybe if we put the smoke back in, it will work again.”
Seriously.
The clone, clone, clone question is a suitable foundation for discussion only if you’ve never had anything but TV dinners.
Bitcoin is Lucid Emacs. Litecoin is GNU HURD. Feathercoin is nano. All pieces of software which had to break off from their roots, not because it was better (it can be), but because the community brought development to a stand still.
Quality comes from adaptability not clever design. If your community is an obstacle, you fork early or give up.
Which community / codebase is going to allow you to achieve your goals? The perfectionist? The tweaker? Or the one where everyone rolls up their sleeves without even thinking about it?
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Does it matter if the foundation code for all these coins is the same, as long as what is built on top adds value?
Sure, FTC may have the same code underneath as LTC, but the percentage of shared code will slowly go down as we add refinements and features which LTC is not doing, such as the difficulty change limits, the proposed checkpointing solution etc.
Just because two things have the same basis, does not make them the same. A Ferrari and a Fiat have the same basis, share many of the same parts and even are built by pretty much the same people, but Ferraris sell for a huge amount of money because of the perceived added value of being able to drive at 180MPH+ and having the prancing pony on the bonnet. There’s nothing (much) wrong with Fiats, but I’d prefer FTC to aim at the Ferrari end of the spectrum through adoption of newer technology solutions and generating of value of the FTC brand.
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[quote name=“spynappels” post=“16121” timestamp=“1371548763”]
Does it matter if the foundation code for all these coins is the same, as long as what is built on top adds value?Sure, FTC may have the same code underneath as LTC, but the percentage of shared code will slowly go down as we add refinements and features which LTC is not doing, such as the difficulty change limits, the proposed checkpointing solution etc.
Just because two things have the same basis, does not make them the same. A Ferrari and a Fiat have the same basis, share many of the same parts and even are built by pretty much the same people, but Ferraris sell for a huge amount of money because of the perceived added value of being able to drive at 180MPH+ and having the prancing pony on the bonnet. There’s nothing (much) wrong with Fiats, but I’d prefer FTC to aim at the Ferrari end of the spectrum through adoption of newer technology solutions and generating of value of the FTC brand.
[/quote]+1 what he said ^
