Issues with PXC?
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[quote name=“Justabitoftime” post=“25021” timestamp=“1376054980”]
[b]So let’s recap:[/b]
Feather’s value -> Up Up Up
Phenix/World -> If you’re not invested, you lost nothing. If you did invest, I’m working hard to increase it.
This is exactly why you don’t see much of me around the forums anymore. I’m focused on adding value, some are focused on the exact opposite.
[/quote]Your hard work is much appreciated Justabitoftime! Thank you!
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I’m still not sure what to really expect out of UNOCS anyway. It’s pretty much vaporware at the moment.
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I’m still not sure what to really expect out of UNOCS anyway. It’s pretty much vaporware at the moment.
[/quote]ok?
[/quote]Other than basic generalizations what do we really know? We haven’t really seen the site other than the main page (unless there are screenshots I’ve overlooked). As pointed out earlier in the thread the release came and went weeks ago. Some of us, including myself really pushed the word on it, and there’s not much coming out since the initial press release. It’s almost the very definition of vaporware. We have something you’re really going to like and it’ll be released sometime this year… maybe.
I guess it really doesn’t matter to me personally as I don’t have the personal investment in it that the owners/developers do but it is still a bit a mystery.
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[quote author=wesphily link=topic=3267.msg25059#msg25059 date=1376082014]
[quote author=zythen link=topic=3267.msg25050#msg25050 date=1376079395]
I’m still not sure what to really expect out of UNOCS anyway. It’s pretty much vaporware at the moment.
[/quote]ok?
[/quote]Other than basic generalizations what do we really know? We haven’t really seen the site other than the main page (unless there are screenshots I’ve overlooked). As pointed out earlier in the thread the release came and went weeks ago. Some of us, including myself really pushed the word on it, and there’s not much coming out since the initial press release. It’s almost the very definition of vaporware. We have something you’re really going to like and it’ll be released sometime this year… maybe.
I guess it really doesn’t matter to me personally as I don’t have the personal investment in it that the owners/developers do but it is still a bit a mystery.
[/quote]Anything I say at the moment won’t matter… it’s about releasing products. I get that… everyone is working hard to make it happen.
Let’s start here:
That’s the alpha of the Phenix’s exchange… it’ll allow instant transfers between the exchange and the bridge. How will that benefit Feather? We’ll be able to take advantage of the bridge as well as opportunities on the exchange. How about the phenixpoker (yes, still working on it)… only 3 coins available, Feathercoin being one of them.
Far from vaporware, everyone is just working to get products released… there were delays, it happens. Ultimately, this is just one piece of the Feathercoin puzzle. It’s 3 coins sharing resources…
I spend my day smiling and dialing… day in/ day out. When I see a piece of news related to Bitcoin or Litecoin, I follow-up with those companies and try to make headway. With UNOCS, the goal will be coins looking out for each other.
If people don’t want to support it, that’s fine. Right now, I’m focused on items away from the chatboard. Again, far from vaporware… just spending more time finishing items rather than talking about it. Look forward to sharing items as they become available!
Look forward to seeing all your grassroots efforts… lots to do for Feather.
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You do an amazing job justabitoftime …
Follow and support feathercoin or simply let it be and walk on … all i want to say to every member!!!
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I’d say the best thing to do now is just wait until services are released. At that point, great time to discuss. In the meantime, all 3 groups have useful discussions. Here’s some examples:
Feather to Phenix -> We can offer to help get your coin resolved with x,y,z changes
Phenix to Feather -> We are going to add you to the PhenixPoker site and give you the ability to run these promotions on the Phenix change
World to Feather -> We can assist with the marketing material you requested
As we wait for the bridge/exchange connection to complete… it’s been a good resource to bounce ideas and get assistance. These arrangements will take time to sort out… it’s new to crypto. Whenever you pioneer new ideas (such as the features coming to Feather), there are going to be huge hiccups along the way. I took responsibility for the delays… we were too optimistic. Now, we’re trying to keep our head down a crank out what was promised.
For a bunch of volunteers, I like where it’s heading. This changes nothing in terms of Feather. I HONESTLY appreciate the feedback… I’m just concerned some people spend more time finding everything wrong rather than contributing. So much to do… our work is just beginning at Feather.
Imagine if everyone picked up the phone and spoke to friends/family about Feather… while I spent time cleaning up UNOCS. Just my 2 cents… at this point, I’m just trying to pass along info… we’re all very busy, I’m not trying to convince anyone to wave the UNOCS banner.
Back to work I go… first swarm emails went out.
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[quote name=“Justabitoftime” post=“25140” timestamp=“1376163269”]
I’d say the best thing to do now is just wait until services are released. At that point, great time to discuss. In the meantime, all 3 groups have useful discussions. Here’s some examples:Feather to Phenix -> We can offer to help get your coin resolved with x,y,z changes
Phenix to Feather -> We are going to add you to the PhenixPoker site and give you the ability to run these promotions on the Phenix change
World to Feather -> We can assist with the marketing material you requested
As we wait for the bridge/exchange connection to complete… it’s been a good resource to bounce ideas and get assistance. These arrangements will take time to sort out… it’s new to crypto. Whenever you pioneer new ideas (such as the features coming to Feather), there are going to be huge hiccups along the way. I took responsibility for the delays… we were too optimistic. Now, we’re trying to keep our head down a crank out what was promised.
For a bunch of volunteers, I like where it’s heading. This changes nothing in terms of Feather. I HONESTLY appreciate the feedback… I’m just concerned some people spend more time finding everything wrong rather than contributing. So much to do… our work is just beginning at Feather.
Imagine if everyone picked up the phone and spoke to friends/family about Feather… while I spent time cleaning up UNOCS. Just my 2 cents… at this point, I’m just trying to pass along info… we’re all very busy, I’m not trying to convince anyone to wave the UNOCS banner.
Back to work I go… first swarm emails went out. Feather is not a 15 cent coin, it’s at least a $1 coin in my mind. That’s my focus… building building building… some things work, some don’t… I dust off and get back to it.
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[quote author=Markus11 link=topic=3267.msg25132#msg25132 date=1376161349]
You do an amazing job justabitoftime …Follow and support feathercoin or simply let it be and walk on … all i want to say to every member!!!
[/quote]I dont think anyone would debate that justabit does an amazing job. It’s phenix coin people are worried about, and it’s out of support for feathercoin that members are voicing their concerns about associating with phenix coin. We all want the best for feathercoin and discussions like this are a vital part of an active community.
[/quote]Agreed
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[quote author=MrFeathers link=topic=3267.msg25139#msg25139 date=1376162651]
[quote author=Markus11 link=topic=3267.msg25132#msg25132 date=1376161349]
You do an amazing job justabitoftime …Follow and support feathercoin or simply let it be and walk on … all i want to say to every member!!!
[/quote]I dont think anyone would debate that justabit does an amazing job. It’s phenix coin people are worried about, and it’s out of support for feathercoin that members are voicing their concerns about associating with phenix coin. We all want the best for feathercoin and discussions like this are a vital part of an active community.
[/quote]Agreed
[/quote]Addressed it:
http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php?topic=3267.msg25140#msg25140
Now, back to Feather… everyone, please take a look at the activism item posted on the main page. We could use that same energy exhibited in this thread toward moving our cause forward. Don’t wait for someone else to do it… 10 minutes and we can continue to push the name.
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Oh come on, John. You addressed nothing in that post. “Pay no attention to the facts being presented. Look! Someone pumped FTC on the exchanges! Everything is fine!”
We still don’t know how involved this Mike character is and whether or not he’s actually producing anything or just taking us for a ride. If the developers can’t be trusted to join forces with a trustworthy team, why should people trust them to keep Feathercoin innovating and moving forward securely? The concerns need to be addressed.
Now, feel free to use your impunity to berate me and other concerned members as people trying to destroy FTC.
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Oh come on, John. You addressed nothing in that post. “Pay no attention to the facts being presented. Look! Someone pumped FTC on the exchanges! Everything is fine!”We still don’t know how involved this Mike character is and whether or not he’s actually producing anything or just taking us for a ride. If the developers can’t be trusted to join forces with a trustworthy team, why should people trust them to keep Feathercoin innovating and moving forward securely? The concerns need to be addressed.
Now, feel free to use your impunity to berate me and other concerned members as people trying to destroy FTC.
[/quote][b]I’m confused, I don’t remember requiring you to support anything.[/b] I’m not your leader, I said my peace, take it up with Bush.
While people bitch and moan, I’m out there working my ass off for the coin. To be honest, it makes me want to spend less and less time here. That’s just a fact.
Absolutely amazing… serious… amazing.
If Phenix decides to not include us on their bridge, at this point, I wouldn’t even blame them. So great, be prepared to develop a competing system. Mike doesn’t owe you anything… period. They’ve been nice enough to invite us along with their services.
“Someone pumped FTC on the exchanges! Everything is fine!”"
Give me a freaking break. Our volume doesn’t magically get pumped for no reason… the hard work of this community which was realized at the Bitcoin Conference was a major contributor. The Advanced Checkpointing that Bush got crucified on is a contributing factor. The activists here emailing day in and day out is a contributing factor.
Look, I’m not hiding in the shadows… my name is public and so is my phone number. Drop me a PM, if you’re not international (US), I’d be happy to talk to you about everything we’re doing for YOUR coin… or even Phenix. If you want to go a different direction, fine.
Nice try, I’m right here in the open. Let’s make the call… heck, we can skype a public debate a post it… just drop the PM and let’s be done with it. I’m truly sick of this ’ you owe me ’ mentality. I put my time in, I have a fairly strong track record [b]helping [/b]move this from 80 or some members to what we have today.
I’m done with this bs. Spent too much time and far too much money to constantly repeat myself.
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You’re constantly emphasizing the importance of the community, but when several people bring up legitimate concerns and demand answers, they’re being ridiculous and have a self-entitled attitude.
If we are all trying to get Feathercoin accepted as legitimate currency by the general publicâ€"and I thought this was the main goal of the community, though not necessary Bush’s intention at the startâ€"the developers are playing with our money; you bet your bum we deserve answers. We’ve heard absolutely zero from the devs about the allegations against the PXC guys (particularly Mike) and what exactly is happening with UNOCS, which you yourself declared to be central to getting FTC into the hands of the Average Joe and increasing its value and viability as a currency.
If you can’t take the heat or respond to criticisms, you should probably find another hobby.
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I just completely disagree with digging into people’s personal lives in a movement that was founded by people that preach being anonymous. UNOCS has zip to do with current Feathercoin development. We were INVITED to use their services… YOU don’t have to do crap with it… I don’t care. If Mike wants to share his personal information, that’s entirely up to him. If you feel he should, great, let’s get our information as well:
I’m John Manglaviti, my phone number is 417-597-3702. Feel free to msg me your personal information and we can go from there. I’m serious, let’s come out of the shadows since most of you contribute to Feathercoin as well. Maybe I have concerns with some of you… I can think of a few people I’d like to start with. ;)
Until the Bridge is released, to me, this is a waste of time. But hey, if we want to dig around with each other’s backgrounds, I look forward to your PMs… and I’ll give you my own references.
People forget that ANYONE can accept Feathercoin. If someone wants to allow us on their service, great…more power to them. That’s all I have to say about that. You guys can do your thing, I’ll work on my investment. You say Feathercoin development doesn’t matter, but I STRONGLY disagree. While people are focused on this nonsense, they continue to leave more work for those of us that are willing to pick up the shovel.
Where’s the same ‘up in arms’ when we create an activism thread?
If Feather decides to distance itself from Phenix, I’ll respect it. I’ll simply help build their community up the same way I did Feather. Long term, moving away from their assistance is a mistake. But what I know about growing a community and getting visibility… oh wait.
I’m done… make your own decisions and spend your money as you please. I’m not your leader, I’m certainly not accountable to you. If you want to share your personal information in PM, great, we’ll go from there… happy to talk to someone over the phone… not like this. Unreal… the service hasn’t even been released.
DONE
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This has gone a little too far I think and if there are personal concerns I agree they should be moved to PM.
I’m not calling anyone in particular out. I just made a couple observations that were my opinions on the current situation and sharing in some of the concerns people have. That’s all. I also was agreeing with the general sentiment that John has done a lot for the community, and didn’t mean to suggest otherwise.
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I concur with MrFeathers’ points.
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I just completely disagree with digging into people’s personal lives in a movement that was founded by people that preach being anonymous. UNOCS has zip to do with current Feathercoin development. We were INVITED to use their services… YOU don’t have to do crap with it… I don’t care. If Mike wants to share his personal information, that’s entirely up to him.
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I like how you constantly stomp your feet and say you’re done and yet keep coming back for more. :PIf someone is accused, with substantial evidence, of being a scammer, people who want a verification of that or clearing of his name are not “digging into [his] personal [life]”. They’re asking legitimate questions which any reasonable person would ask and do deserve an answer, especially if said person is supposed to be writing an application that will be dealing with peoples’ money.
UNOCS does not have “zip” to do with Feathercoin development. So, at first UNOCS is a cooperation between the currencies, but now it has nothing to do with FTC or, subsequently, us? (If you could your story straight so we know what we’re supposed to believe, that’d be great and would make this disagreement somewhat simpler to resolve.) If UNOCS support is going to be built into the FTC wallet (as you yourself stated to Coindesk), it has [b]everything [/b]to do with Feathercoin development.
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[url=http://youtu.be/d2nM55ko_ys]http://youtu.be/d2nM55ko_ys[/url]
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Come on guys! :(
As Wesphily said, if you want to know info about Phenix Mike, ask him on their forums. Don’t fight among ourselves here - it’s crazy. We’re the good guys remember?
Whilst all the concerns are valid (i feel some of them too) you need to direct them to the right place.
Personally i hold next to no PXC or WDC because i support FTC. I’ve decided that whatever PXC/WDC does is up to them. We just don’t promote their services until they are live. If and when UNOCS goes live, THEN i will promote the a*** off of it and say I was a supporter and beleiver from the off! ;D
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[quote JustabitofTime]
[b]So let’s recap:[/b]Feather’s value -> Up Up Up
Phenix/World -> If you’re not invested, you lost nothing. If you did invest, I’m working hard to increase it.
This is exactly why you don’t see much of me around the forums anymore. I’m focused on adding value, some are focused on the exact opposite.
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Justabit, we are trying to help you, pleeeeeeeease listen.
Nobody on this thread looks like they have ulterior motives to me, it was a mistake to say they were, even if they were. Contributors appear to be raising (valid) concerns and giving you a chance to learn from your mistakes.
Feathercoin has not suffered excessively from trolling. Even if it were, hard questions are better answered (as best you can) than avoided or commenting on your perception of their ulterior motives.
Also, for instance, I am ABSOLUTELY NOT interested that Feathercoin is UP UP UP. Especially when that is for no apparent reason. It is actually making me loose loads of coins as a “stupid” miner who does not change over to Litecoin when the difficulty goes up.
- I am only here to make a useful open currency and not have my mining coins stolen. I want Feathercoin to fairly compensate miners for transactions, on a secure network, not save up to be CoinMillionaires, or pandering to the moronic trading scams.
Unfortunately, this is a common crypto currency development failure. The current system aligns the coin to the developers requirements, due to the developer being in charge of the network. But, the developers don’t have a direct way to monetize their “investment” like miners have. They therefore are diverted to concentrating on all the wrong priorities. I understood Bush is also a miner and that’s one of the reasons I “joined” Feathercoin.
And, I am also absolutely against the promotion of sex slavery, abuse of woman and gambling, can we avoid that sh*t being associated with Feathercoin directly?
Long term reputation is 99% of success, that is achieved by what you do, not what people say you are or what you say you’re trying to be.
